George Foreman 73 Vs Lennox Lewis 95

The Toney fight was the ONLY match that Rahman had fought inside of a 13 month period, and it wasn't even a win. Weaver had scored FIVE STRAIT KNOCKOUTS within only 9 months prior to the Holmes fight. WTF are you even talking about?

 

Oops, you are correct. Larry Holmes was nearly 30. I accidently swapped the two birthdates for the post. I should be in bed since hours already.

Nice pic of Weaver, but the comparison with Toney doesn't count because Toney started at 150+ thus is a FAT heavyweight. While Weaver was an athletic heavyweight. Moreover I was was comparing Weaver with Rahman. Toney is an untypical boxer in many ways and has even a worse heavyweight record than Weaver.

Enough to be the highest ranked available.

((And MAYBE thanks to the Rahman fight we will see Lennox return to the ring, since Lennox KOed him within 4 while Wlad needed longer, thus it may have been the final piece of info Lennox needed. I am very happy that this fight happened. Prepare for Vitali vs Lennox. And when Lennox wins prepare for Lennox vs Wlad))

But this is the mindset that I complain about. It _can even be_ that Weaver was considered worthy because of his last 5 fights or so. But I check the whole career record not single fights. By single scenes Vitali did great against Lennox. But when you go by achievements then it's a LOSS. Thus Rahman is a much more worthy opponent than Weaver even although Weaver may have had a good performance against Holmes (although I actually think that he had a terrible defense eating basically everything that Larry dished out).

But look, a record of 30 or 50 or 70 fights _IS_ representative even if you think that some unfairness happened here and there. Actually _IF_ some unfairnesses happened then it's because the boxer was not CLEARLY DOMINATING. It's his own fault.

I cannot take some EXCUSES or REVISIONISM into account. I go by the official end result. If something was fishy about it the fighters should have sorted it out THEN.

There are only a few instances where you would want to calculate someone's ranking by introducing ALTERNATIVE results like "How high would you rank Ali if you delete Foreman from his record" or "How high would you rank Vitali had he won against Lennox". Such alternative calculations are only worth for top fighters but not for Weaver.

 

Did you check the record of these guys he KOed?

Oliver Philipps, Abdul Khan and Mike Creel
have a COMBINED record of .... shall I tell it?.... 12-29-2
You should not ever mention them as a proof for anything. You complain about Rahman not earning a fight against Wlad but you know exactly that Rahman could KO these guys any time of the day.

Stan Ward is a featherfist (8 KOs in 30 fights) thus a fighter with a somewhat decent chin like Weaver had not to fear him too much.

Bernardo Mercado is a good win, but at that point Mercado came from a loss and had until then fought fighters with a median record of 6-8-0, in other words he was unexperienced whereas Weaver had a median opponent of 18-7-0 = had experience with opponents three times stronger than Mercado's opponents.

I have nothing against considering Weaver a worthy opponent against Holmes. But Rahman's record is much better.

 

Knn,

If you wish to continue ignoring the fact that Rahman was washed up, inactive, hadn't beaten a decent fighter in years, and arguably lost to a fat past prime Toney, while Weaver was young, in greater shape, and coming off an active winning streak, then so beit. Its obvious that nothing I say is going to change your mind, as you continue to put an unprecedented spin on the facts, or better yet, miss-stating them.

 

lennox was his prime 35 age. Some fighters can be even older..

 

Rahman was not his prime , but he didnt even try to fight..only defence.

 

This is what is always claimed AFTER Wlad beats them into slavery.

I read this since YEARS already: Wlad's opponents didn't come to win. When will you accept it that it's Wlad's POWER that beats them into position and not their lack of fire?

I guess the statement "Wlad's ((opponent... insert name here)) came not to fight" is a kind of revisionism, or some kind of refusal to acknowledge.

 

Foreman. Lewis wouldn't know how to cope with his him, as no one had at the time. But he would still have a decent chance, and an older and wiser Lewis would win.

 

I've just read through this entire stupid debate. Magoo, it's ridiculous, you said it best right here.

 

Lennox Lewis couldn't handle Hasim Rahman, Lennox Lewis couldn't handle Oliver McCall. Lewis best wins came against a washed up Evander Holyfield and a washed up Mike Tyson. Bruno had him beat until he gassed out. Shannon Briggs almost knocked him but gassed out. Lewis beat a washed up Donovan Rudduck who in his prime was knocked out by David Jaco.

If you want to bring up the stupid Foreman got tired after 3 rounds crap that most of you little kids bring up then I will bring up this. Lennox Lewis got tired far more than Foreman did. Lennox Lewis wasn't adept to handling pressure. Foreman would keep the pressure on him. Lewis was a hard puncher but even a old Foreman punched harder according to Evander Holyfield. Lewis wasn't quick on his feet, He wasn't good a cutting off the ring or trapping his opponent like Foreman was.

What does Lewis bring to the table against Foreman? Nothing that Foreman couldn't handle. I can't imagine any circumstance where i can picture Lewis beating even a old Foreman. Lewis is a good fighter but not in the same league as the Foreman's of the world

Foreman by brutal knockout in a few rounds.

 

It sounds as if you would pick Foreman to easily beat Ali if the fight had not taken place.

 

I'd be prepared to bet a hefty sum he would.

"Ali who was almost KO'd by Cooper, a small CW, and Frazier, also a cruiser essentially, would stand a chance against the most formidable puncher of all time? A man who utterly destroyed Ali's two most difficult opponents? Not a chance in hell. Ali beat an old, slow-as-molasses Liston, who probably took a dive in both fights, that's all. He had trouble with a journeyman like Chuvalo, a cruiser like Mildenberger and almost lost to natural LHW Doug Jones. Foreman would demolish Ali within three rounds."