George Foreman (First Career) Vs Oleksandr Usyk?

Again - This thread is not interested in a case for the 70s heavyweights vs Usyk. It is an irrelevance.

That was kinda the point of the post you've replied to - they didn't have to. More to the point, perhaps, is that Foreman could not have even achieved such a weight cut, much less made it with little trouble.

See previous responses above and those made in the post you have replied to.

Which kind of confirms my initial point. What has Usyk proven by beating an older, less effective version of Chisora in less impressive fashion?

Beating one opponent of any real note in a division not constrained by the cruiserweight limit is not a lot to go on.

It does not make sense to shoehorn a hypothetical scenario that would just not be achievable in the real world. Foreman, in his athletic prime, would never have been able to make 200lbs. The attempt to do so alone would have been enough to invite serious consequences. Therefore your re-hydration value is a complete fantasy, without any basis in reality.

Remember that, in Foreman, we're talking about a boxer who, as a 19-year-old Olympian, registered a weight of 99Kg (218.25lbs). As a professional, he was initially being asked by his camp to train down to 217lbs in order to achieve what was considered to be his optimum fighting weight. It is clear that by the time he reached his athletic prime he was training down to somewhere between the 225lbs to 230lbs mark.

 

Well - it was the suits, you see.

Wlad liked his suits and the shoes to go with them. Whereas, Fury preferred the look of a man who'd just been woken from his Sunday 'Post-Roast' Nap to pose for the family album.

 

I have two snips at home somewhere showing the in ring weight during the telecast. Certified bonafide full kit and caboodle genuine.

 

You seem to be talking about two unrelated issues here. Some heavyweights today bulk up and might outweigh Foreman despite being naturally smaller guys. But that doesn't really have much bearing on whether Foreman could make cruiserweight. We have plenty of examples of lean shredded guys rehydrating 20 pounds in many different divisions so I don't see why Foreman couldn't do it provided 220 is a comfortable fighting weight for him.

Lawrence Okolie is an example of a cruiserweight who looks like he might be as big as Foreman in terms of size and muscle mass. And yes he's probably a naturally bigger man than someone like Povetkin

 

That's what everyone is trying to tell you you clown. 220 was NOT a comfortable fighting weight for him. He had to dry fast for several days to reach that weight.

 

Ah, I didn’t think of it that way - the complete and complementary clothing ensemble, and it’s true, Wlad knew very damn well how to accessorise. The man has always been a fashion plate.

Maybe Fury should’ve taken a leaf - adopting Wlad’s Eye for the Slob Guy. Then he wouldn’t still be going around looking like an unmade, super super sized King bed.

 

Usyk KO 10. Wears him down and puts him out. Usyk was bigger and more skilled than the Ali who pulled the trick.

 

A wall of text to simply say that you have NO sources whatsoever and have no actual ground to stand on.

Whereas I have, in fact provided such sources.

Bravo sir. Never has ignorance been so amply demonstrated.

 

Foreman was already dried out at around 220lbs. There was no way he could lose another 20lbs from there.

 

A photo has already been posted showing the 6ft 3ins listed Usyk at around an inch taller than Gassiev.

It's not the only one, there appeared to be between half an inch and an inch in Usyk's favour in all their various head to heads, including with the ref just before the start of their fight.

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I estimate Uysk at 6ft 2.5ins/6ft 3ins and Gassiev at 6ft 2ins. What about you?

 

Greg, you’ve used imperial, you might as well have written it in hieroglyphics….good luck with your question.

 

1) I estimate that you simply DKS about what you are seeing because, for one, you can't see their shoes
2) That could be read another way, in that Gassiev is 6'3 and Usyk is 6'4
3) It still doesn't inflate Foreman into any sort of size that troubles Usyk. Foreman isn't going to be more than 6'4 even if you stretch him on a rack. Most estimates of Foreman have him at 6'3, same as Usyk.
4) Usyk has demolished 6'6 opponents.
5) That still doesn't inflate Foreman's numerous sub-200lb opponents into something bigger than the guys Usyk fought at 200lb

 

Thanks.

You seem to have assigned some sort of agenda to me that I don't have. Given the reading comprehension issues you've demonstrated multiple times in this thread, i suspect you've conflated posts made by other posters with those i've made.

I haven't picked Foreman over Usyk once in this, or any other, thread. I tend not to predict the outcomes of fantasy fights from cross eras as there are too many unknown variables. I also think Usyk is a brilliant boxer, the best p4p today, imo.

My sole reason for addressing you was because you cited various sources for Gassiev being 6ft 3ins+, belitting another poster who claims c.6ft 2ins for not having a source, when in multiple head to heads, the 6ft 3ins listed Usyk was clearly taller than Gassiev. Was Usyk wearing lifts in all of them and in the fight itself? I've posted one photo and one video that illustrate Usyk as being taller. Do you need me to post some more? There are plenty out there.

I'll try again, i estimate Usyk at 6ft 2.5ins to 6ft 3ins and Gassiev at 6ft 2ins, how about you?

 

Seems like I could have done with some of that good luck in getting a direct answer to a simple question

 

You’re a better man than I Greg. He’s clueless. It’s been proven. He knows it. All he’s doing now is posting hurt and talking even more rubbish.