George Foreman (First Career) Vs Oleksandr Usyk?

You used the word naturally in the question you asked that I quoted, so yes, I did mean i think Holyfield is naturally smaller than Foreman.

Naturally bigger for me has zero to do with those attributes. I'm not sure I'm 100% happy with this definition, but off the top of my head - to me it means if 2 men eat the same, both in type and amount, train the same, and one weighs substantially more than the other with similar body fat %'s, then he's naturally bigger.

 

Ah right, gotcha.

Strength, power and punch resistance are the advantages to the naturally bigger man, all other factors being equal.

Using an extreme example to demonstrate the concept, lets say for arguments sake that GGG and prime Mike Tyson are, at their natural respective in shape weights, equal in those areas p4p. They are roughly the same height and reach. It is possible GGG could bulk up to 220lbs without increasing his body fat %. If he did, I think prime Tyson would be more powerful, stronger and have better punch resistance.

Clearly thier size disparity is way in excess of that which I believe exists between Foreman and Usyk, again, just used to explain the concept.

Just so I'm clear, I appreciate other posters may have picked Foreman to win and then used his natural size advantage as one of the reasons why, I'm not one of them. I think picking Usyk to win this fight is completely justifiable. I think Foreman's greater natural size is a factor, but in no way am i claiming it would be the determining one.

 

Appreciate your reply but it was satire/humour, the definition of which I won’t also debate - since we already have enough to be getting along with.

All in all, I don’t think Usyk and or his camp falsely pushing his being heavier is just a possibility, it has a good measure of likelihood - and Usyk’s own words re the matter (that I quoted) support that likelihood.

Thanks for the quote on Foreman arriving in Zaire at around 230 lb - and your balanced view that he might have already started training before that. Also for your insight as to Foreman actually wanting to come in heavier than 220 lb. Good info.

Re Foreman coming in under his target weight - I could speculate that the postponement could’ve disrupted and caused George to land under his preferred weight - of course he wasn’t allowed to leave Zaire and became very despondent in the interim.

Just re the weight gain for Wilder from Fury 1 to Fury 2 (238 lb minus 212 1/2 lb = + 25 1/2 lb). Gotta say, at 6’6 1/2” to 6’7” and weighing 212 1/2 lbs, Deontay looked like a woefully underfed greyhound - he very much looked like he could do with a good feed and easily accomodate the extra weight on his frame - even at 238 lb there appeared more room for additional weight/bulk.

Usyk at 221 1/2 lb did not look like Wilder did at an emaciated 212 1/2 lb at all - at least imo, Usyk at the aforementioned weight appeared to have arrived at a well “reached up to” poundage.

I don’t believe I introduced walk around weight - I read Usyk’s walk around being introduced/discussed and actually mused myself as to why that would be - particularly if Foreman’s walk around weight wasn’t being examined in kind.

But I understand, the longer a thread goes, it becomes more difficult to remember who said what - it becomes more complex, multiple opinions coming in from every which way and good ol’ Chaos Theory comes into play -

 

Good to see you back CT. I hope you have been keeping well.

 

At this point it's ****ing chaos alright

 

Does that mean we can't accuse you of not having a life and such?

 

Hopefully you can stick around for while and or post a bit more frequently. Even random, Dave Drop In posts are better than nothing.

 

Lol! People have just gotten so accustomed to these 6’6 250lb Boxer/Punchers over the last two decades that they somehow got in their head Foreman HAD to be this behemoth monster the way he was knocking guys out back then. MAYBE for 1970… but not today.

“Bigger Faster Stronger”

 

https://www.subliworks.com/george-f...1kjxPqpx8fcJCwOSOPB59cbwiZAjhNB8aAunQEALw_wcB

 

I've just ordered 4.

They'll go perfectly in my Big George Foreman Shrine Room where I keep the 'Larger than Life-size' Big George Foreman Statue - specifically sculpted to Oleksandr Usyk proportions-PLUS-AND-THEN-SOME - to be sure.

 

Walk around or fight night proportions?

 

Couldn't quite get a fix on either for Usyk (too many confounding variables) so went for average official weigh-in numbers, which curiously came out as being within half a pound of Foreman's registered weight for the 1968 Olympics when he was 19 years old.

Then just made sure the statue reflected an Endomorph (rather than a Mesomorph) body-type