George Foreman Had Zero Defense

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Joeywill, Nov 4, 2022.



  1. Levook

    Levook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No it's not like saying Deontay has GOOD defense, but that his offence IS ALSO his defense, period. George was also a great fighter, who beat great fighters, something you don't seem to be considering, though it's been brought up.
     
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  2. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree. This whole narrative about Ali doing a rope a dope is very exaggerated. He was out boxing George Foreman easily and was never losing at any point. Many slick boxers would've beaten George Foreman. The 2 he fought in his first career Ali and Young beat him.
     
  3. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    As for Wilder, well he barely hit Ortiz in two fights either. It took him forever to find a home for a clean shot to get him out of there so it's not as if Fury had to be a defensive marvel not to get hit much against him as even Ortiz wasn't.

    Luis Ortiz is also a much better defensive fighter than George Foreman. Why can't you just admit that his defense was bad.?
     
  4. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Exactly. I said the same thing. Nobody would say that Wilder has great defense.
     
  5. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fury doesn't have Foremans chin so when he gets hit and dropped it's a lot more memorable. Foreman got hit more in the Lyle or Ali fight than Fury did in his whole career. Foremans defense wasn't underrated. It was terrible.

    You made an excuse for every single time Fury got nailed or looked bad "he had an off night, he got careless" etc. You are blatantly being hypocritical. Everyone gets hit but Fury gets hit a lot less than Foreman did on a per round basis.

    "Fury's last 13 opponents averaged just 6.2 punches per round. This is the third-lowest number among all fighters and the lowest among all heavyweights."

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  6. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm not diminishing anything from his accomplishments. He just had bad defense.
     
  7. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What does that have have to do with having good defense?
     
  8. Levook

    Levook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    IF Wilder could be considered to have excellent offense as defense, he should not have needed comeback knockdowns/knockouts against CRAP competition that were outboxing him. Offense as defense is not only throwing punches (and in DW's case sloppy, uneducated, off balance hail mary type junk). It's more subtle than that schoolyard type of fighting.
     
  9. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The point is that that's not really defense. It's offense.
     
  10. Levook

    Levook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ok, well there you go.
     
  11. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    His defensive skills were generally good enough within the scope of his style, especially when viewed in the context of his other overall strengths and attributes.
     
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  12. Glass City Cobra

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    I said what I said. You are being a hypocrite. Fury got hit plenty and was dropped more times than Foreman. You can't give excuses to Fury for having "off nights" or "being careless" but then give no excuses for Foreman. That's hypocrisy. Either both fighters get excuses or neither of them do.

    Foreman had plenty of valid excuses for the knockdowns he suffered (the intense heat in Zaire and Puerto Rico), but part of it was also his own fault for being overly aggressive and burning through his gas tank. It would be hypocritical of me to say Foreman gets a pass for the best, but I give Joe Frazier no excuses for his poor eyesight and underestimating Foreman. Do you get it now?
     
  13. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    When Berlanga was knocking out dudes in the first round you considered that great defense?
     
  14. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fury got hit plenty.
    "Fury's last 13 opponents averaged just 6.2 punches per round. This is the third-lowest number among all fighters and the lowest among all heavyweights.

    You can't give excuses to Fury for having "off nights" or "being careless" but then give no excuses for Foreman. That's hypocrisy. Either both fighters get excuses or neither of them do. No excuses.
     
  15. ThatOne

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    The best defense is a good offense. When I used to watch the films of Big George whupping Frazier I thought he did it by shoving
    I always thought all Big George did was shove Joe out of range but as the video shows it was much more subtle. The best defense is a good offense.