Career defining fights are beating Frazier twice, Ken Norton and ko'ing Michael Moorer. But do you really think his resume, considering he fought in the 70's and 90's, the two best heavyweight eras, that his resume deserves to put him amongst the like of Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali?
Legitimately. "No", in my case. I think he's grotesquely overated head to head, and how. But the second career is really, really impressive. His resume is ****, as you ask.
His resume contains some career defining victories but seriously lacks depth. In another thread "Tyson Foreman first few rounds..." I noted that if you took Tyson's resume and looked at his top 20 wins and compared them to Foreman's top 20 wins you'd notice that at some point you'd be searching really hard to find to legitimize his top 10 ranking or even ranking him ahead of Mike Tyson. Back to the point I to believe he is top ten material but definatley the bottom end.
Ali, Louis, Lewis, Liston, Frazier, Johnson, Tyson, Holmes, Willls, Marciano should always be above him for me. Holyfield, Jeffries and Demspey could arguably be rated above him.
I have Foreman in the 8-10 range. I think he should make it the top ten towards the bottom but keeping him out of it isn't too outrageous in my opinion.
I do think Foreman gets overrated in a head to head sense and I am not convinced on his ability vs boxers in his prime, and I believe the 1990s foreman is in the top 5 most overrated h2h fighters of all time. Let me give Foreman Supporters the best peice of evidence they can say to rate foreman highly. All it takes is one sentence long and it does the trick. George Foreman was Heavyweight Champion in the two toughest eras in Heavyweight History; Mid 1970s and Mid 1990s.
I checked the Boxing Registar. The only top 10 opponents ranked by Ring Magazine in the 1990s when Foreman fought them were Champions Evander Holyfield, Michael Moorer, and Tommy Morrison. That means his only win over a top 10 opponent in his comeback was his miraculous knockout of Moorer. They very fact Foreman got his 3rd title shot in a row after losing badly in subsequent title shots to holyfield and morrison is very sketchy. Not one other guy Foreman fought was in the top 10 according to Boxing Registar 4th edition. Foreman struggled incredibly with B level heavyweights Alex Stewart and Axel Shulz getting gift decisions, he got shutout on the cards against glass jaw Tommy Morrison, he ducked a 37 year old WBA mandatory Tony Tucker, mediocre Lou Savarese went toe to toe with him for 12 rounds and Foreman was unable to put him on the canvas, and he lost his linear title to the worst heavyweight champion of all time Shannon Briggs.
I agree on all counts. I think i had Foreman in the top10 during my last list, though. Foreman is one of those guys who could completely annihilate a great opponent, but also lose one-sidedly to a lesser one. I think very few top boxers would lose to him. He has that GREAT win over Frazier, but other than that, his resume is rather weak. Every puncher blew Norton away. Lyle was a near-KO loss. Young was a shutout, as was an aging Ali. His final record against top10 contenders is something like 5-3; 6-6 if one includes the second career.
Suzie Q is this boxing register online? I would find it interesting as i often get confused on how highly boxers are rated at different periods of time
Ther 3 blind mice screwed Foreman in the ass against Briggs in '97.....atsch:blood:twisted: And, I don't care how close it was, I scored Foreman a ONE POINT winner over a game and well-tuned Axel Schulz in 1995 on HBO :admin:tong MR.BILL:hey
Head-to-head, top five. Ali beat him. But then Ali beat Liston (twice), Frazier (twice), and Norton (twice). Legacy? A man who blows away Frazier to win the title, blows away Norton in a defense, then comes back all those years later to ice Moorer to win the world title at 45, and then never really loses the title in the ring? That's pretty doggone special. Foreman was a special boxer, a magnificient fighting machine, a force of nature.