George Foreman Versus Alexander Povetkin

I think Mathis is going to become the new Carmine Vingo.

Whenever somebody criticized Marciano for fighting small guys, everybody would bring up (supposedly) 6'4", 190-ish pound Carmine Vingo, whom Rocky fought on the way up. Vingo was the stand-in for every Boomer-sized 70s heavyweight.

In similar fashion, I suspect that whenever a superheavyweight is needed, Mathis -- 250-something pounds, 6'3", and obese -- will be drafted into the 70s firing line.

 

Truth hurts doesn't it?

 

It's a false equivalence, anyone with a brain can see Mathis had world class ability on film and versatility on top of his size or will you refute this ? The 70s gets criticized for not having skilled big men but Mathis is one of them and Frazier beat him wide before stopping him.

Modern heavyweights carry much more fat than predecessing generations, but it didn't hinder Mathis's speed now did it ? He had faster hands than most of the guys today lololol. The example goes against your schedule which is why you're posting sardonic comments

 

I'm sorry, but Mathis The Superheavyweight is absolutely a sign of desperation. Just like Vingo was for Team Marciano.

Sure, Mathis was a good fighter. And that obviously isn't relevant.

The question was whether he was a good superheavyweight. He wasn't. He was a skilled, normal-sized heavyweight who was very fat.

Unless you want to claim James Toney was a superheavyweight, too...

 

So you admit Mathis is a good fighter and it's not relevant ? Wtf ? I'm gonna end this here, that is complete dishonesty and i expect better from you. His fat didn't hinder his speed at the end of the day and he had less fat that many modern day heavyweights like Ruiz, Fury and Miller, and Mathis has more ability than any of them bar Fury, you're just looking for an escape.

James Toney: 5'10, 233lb

Buster Mathis: 6'3, 245lb

That's a good mention though, Toney started at middleweight, was shorter than Joe Frazier, and all he had to do was put on a truckload of fat to compete at heavyweight and get a top 5 ranking, ergo these modern day heavyweights are overrated as ****. Have a good day

 

That's a lot of huffing and puffing to avoid the obvious.

A fighter being good doesn't make them a superheavyweight.

Mathis wasn't a superheavyweight. He wasn't particularly tall at 6'3". He wasn't particularly muscular. He was just obese.

Seems simple enough.

 

Young George beats Povetkin and the Older version loses

 

Sounds like you're ducking the fact an obese middleweight made it into the top 5 in modern day boxing

Define super heavyweight.

Mathis was always naturally huge and that fat didn't hinder his hand speed whatsoever, so the criticism is invalid. F=ma, or are we only going to appeal to physics when it fits the agenda

 

You're proving my point. Nobody can sustain the silly idea that Buster Mathis was a superheavyweight for any length of time.

If you thought you could, you wouldn't be trying to change the subject to "James Toney proves modern heavyweights suck."

Like, an exact height / poundage? That would be ridiculous.

Lewis was a superheavyweight. The Klitschkos were. Bowe was, although he wasn't one of the bigger ones. Tyson Fury is, albeit one who also happens to be fat. Anthony Joshua is. Hrgovic is. Zhang. Joyce. Probably Dubois.

Then there are modern guys like Ibeabuchi or arguably Rahman, who probably wouldn't be called superheavyweights because they aren't very tall by current standards. But they are obviously bigger than Mathis.

I'm satisfied that these examples will give most people a good idea what I mean by "superheavyweight."

Are you seriously claiming on the basis of physics that Mathis was a superheavyweight puncher?

 

Vingo was supposedly a good prospect. Not that it matters much, since there's no way he was comparable to the likes of Ali or Foreman, as Marciano fans desperately wanted him to be.

Similarly, an obese, normal-sized heavyweight like Mathis isn't comparable to the superheavyweights we have today. He was a skilled, fast-handed, fat heavyweight who would've been closer to the size of Lyle, Ali, etc. without the fat.

 

James Toney is naturally much smaller than Mathis, looked much fatter despite weighing less, yet still made his way to a top 5 ranking at heavyweight because size is overrated and yet you're still here. The sample size of super heavyweights dominating top 10 cruiserweights doesn't even outweigh the inverse massively. These modern athletes are overrated and nased on recent evidence you probably get mixed results if all the historical eras fight eachother

All your own opinion. Many would call Ibeabuchi a super heavyweight. Weight classes not height classes. Super heavyweight is an official distinction for the ametures and most are skinny anyway unles they put on fat or muscle. No body is the same. You have drastic genetic differences and builds across humanity and within races. Mathis was just naturally fat as hell, he was much bigger earlier on and that fat didn't hinder his speed, skill and footwork at the top level so the functional weight is still 240+ pounds. Keep grasping.

 

Look, if you see Mathis and Vitali Klitschko and think they're the same size, I don't know what to tell you.