George Foreman Versus Alexander Povetkin

Vitali is a massive super heavyweight

 

...And do Mathis and Vitali look the same size to you?

 

Mathis was actually extremely talented and I believe he made the Olympic Team back when it was a huge deal and amateur boxing had alot of competition.

 

Yep.

 

What is,with the size thing? I can point to numerous times when a much smaller heavy beat up a much larger heavy.
Christ Usky vs Fury is a classic example.

 

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Vitali is much taller and already a very large super heavyweight compared to others. Parker is a super heavyweight and objectively weighed more than Vitali when he fought Bakole but Vitali still looks bigger to me.

 

So you think Vitali was bigger than Mathis, even though Mathis's fat made him heavier than Vitali. Good. I agree.

You mentioned Parker. You consider Parker a superheavyweight at 6'3"/6'4" and 267.

Mathis weighed in the 250s against Ali. Does Mathis look as much like a superheavyweight to you as Joseph Parker?

 

It happens. Lightweights beat welterweights, too.

That said, the size in this thread matters because somebody is claiming that Buster Mathis was a superheavyweight. In the sense of being somehow comparable to the big guys today. When in actuality, he was just a talented, normal heavyweight who happened to be fat.

 

Yes, Parker is a super heavyweight. Why wouldn't he be ? Is it just 6'5+ guys to you ? I can understand where your coming from but It's semantics at a point

Vitali has a much bigger frame than both Parker and Mathis, but Mathis is still a 6'3 and has a massive frame compared to the vast majority of the global population, he was never a natural cruiserweight let alone a middleweight and he carried the fat well, he was faster than anyone today bar Parker and Usyk, and imo more skilled than Parker.

Plus weight is weight, thats why Toneys obese ass at 5'10 could compete at heavyweight and get a high ranking because it didn't significantly hinder his ability and the barrier of size is commonly breached in boxing. This is an objective fact, Toney had elite skills but 0 mobility and would be a short heavyweight even in the 1970s. Mathis is naturally bigger than Kabayel who bullied Zhang

 

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If you consider Parker a superheavyweight, that's fine. I'm asking whether you consider Mathis to be a superheavyweight like Parker.

 

Povetkin has a chance if Foreman goes in with no respect at all, he could set Foreman up for something devastating, however, if Foreman sticks that jab, applies pressure with attacks set up with the jab, goes the the body with that clubbing rights, and slips in those uppercuts and times Povetkin’s head movement with them, getting him into position with that lead and watches out for the left hook of Povetkin, which Foreman always was always able to neutralise by dipping slightly or stepping back and crossing his arms.

The better long punches of Foreman would take it, and the willingness to them then go with power would get the better as Povetkin tries to get in, but gets punished as Foreman throws big, well timed punches from range, punishing Povetkin when he comes in, and Foreman was able to see returns coming and deflect them and not get hit clean.

Foreman is well suited to defeat Povetkin, and would take him out in a great fight.

 

Yes i do, he's just a naturally heavy set/stout human being. He wouldn't look out of shape compared to modern heavyweights

 

Then there's our difference.

I don't think being fat is enough to be a superheavyweight. Most people who don't need the 70s to have superheavies would agree with me.

Parker is 6'3" or 6'4" (usually listed 6'4"), and 267, being noticeably muscular at that weight.

Mathis against Ali, which is the heaviest fight against another contender that I found, was 6'3" and 256 pounds. With a lot of his weight coming from obesity, not muscle. (His fights against Frazier, Quarry, and Chuvalo were in the 230s, IIRC, and he still looked fat.)

Even if you want to class Parker as a SHW, Mathis ain't going to qualify. I invite anyone to compare the weigh-in photos of Mathis with the one from Parker/Bakole.

You can't eat your way into becoming a superheavyweight.

 

Yet big and strong Parker still has problems with little 213 pound Jack Massey who Opetaia oblitered. Yet again size is overrated

As a matter of fact, Toney ate his way into the top 5 and he's naturally way smaller than Mathis. Whatever point you're trying to prove is frankly irrelevant at this stage, and to the question. Mathis tried to use that weight to lean on Frazier several times and 240 pounds is still 240 pounds when you're trying to push someone around or clinch, Mathis also had exceptional speed that could carry that weight no problem. Skill is also more important than weight past 200 pounds, it's why Michael Hunter schooled Super heavyweight Bakole.

Foreman KOs Povetkin BTW. Povetkin can't fight off the backfoot, Foreman can