George Foreman vs Cleveland Williams

Only a few. Certainly not me. I have never in my life lost sleep over people that have no immediate impact on my life, let alone boxers who died decades ago, let alone due to an argument on the internet.

Which is why I think many people are right when they speculate it must be something personal. I think chok boy needs some serious therapy and I do not even mean that in a sarcastic or joking manner. I cannot fathom having this much venom over a subject that allegedly has nothing to do with my life for going on 10+ years.

In the thread about Rocky's defense he took a snipe at Liston's record when literally no one had brought him up at all and it was completely irrelevant to the subject. He does stuff like this all the time but pretends to be a paragon of impartiality and fairness despite the fact Ray Charles could see through his bs.

 

I often agree with Choklab, so ...

 

Just because I don’t think Williams deserves to be compared to George Foreman doesn’t mean I hate the guy. I don’t know how you can see it as personal venom toward Williams?

maybe this is a problem you guys have. I don’t hate anyone I disagree with. And I certainly don’t hate the fighters who I disagree with you about. It’s just my opinion.

 

This is just more of what I'm talking about. You are being FACETIOUS. No one has a problem with you thinking Foreman is better than Williams. The goddamn poll indicates that the board unanimously agrees with the idea Williams has no comparison to Foreman h2h. That CLEARLY isn't the issue people have with your posts. Do you see a single poster on this thread voicing for Williams and claiming he's on Foreman's level?

YOU made the comparison between Lamar Clark and Williams. I made a post (that you couldn't have missed) showing why that's ridiculous and you ignored it.

Swag made several posts addressing some of your absurd claims and he rightly called you out for cherry picking what to respond to.

You do this stuff all the time and then act all surprised when people call you out. Good job proving my point.

 

I think Williams is pretty good and that Janitor may have a point that he could make it interesting against Foreman for a bit.

 

He fought Holmes, Leon and Jones twice and they outweighed him in all their fights. I clearly meant their were 13 fights Williams was outweighed in. But please take your meaningless miniscule victories where-ever can. Even going by your logic it's STILL 10 fighters which means you knowingly left out 3 fighters when you said Williams outweighed all of his opponents but 7. You knew this wasn't true.

 

Since you ask, I don't think Johnson goes 10 with Williams. And I'm referring to THE 37 YEAR OLD VERSION OF JOHNSON WHO LOST TO Willard, and NOT the prime one so unfortunately you don't get to twist my words to create a straw-man. Maybe next time.

The only thing comical here is (besides your dishonesty, deception and irrational hatred of certain fighters) you avoiding the entirety of my argument with the exception of one throw-away line you can use to create a straw-man and attack it mercilessly. Truly pathetic.

 

Now he's playing stupid and acting like the only reason he's being accused of hating Williams is because he picked Foreman over him, as if he's shown no history of irrational, and worrying hatred over Williams.

He responds to one minor detail that he uses to further his agenda while failing to acknowledge the entirety of the argument/the bigger picture.

Yes, after he's called out, he plays the victim and attempts to gaslight the accusers into thinking they're paranoid.

 

I agree. But I think Chok has a multitude of serious health issues, including not only his irrational hatred towards certain fighters as you've alluded to but his pathological lying. Compulsive as well. Such as deliberately lying about the fighters Williams outweighed in his career. Like seriously who gives a ****? I seriously don't understand why someone would feel the need to lie over something so trivial. It's very concerning and I think he truly does need to seek help. I truly say this out of concern.

 

The issue people have with my posts is it offends them that I do not rate Williams as highly as they do. I don’t think it is disrespecting Williams to say he should be compared to fighters more like himself rather than other champions. Charley Retzlaff or Pat Comiskey.

Williams was pretty good. He just was not champion level. I would pick him to beat Pete Radmacher if it makes anyone feel better. That’s a fair fight he can come through.

 

You have seen my medical records I presume? I’m mad because I don’t think Williams was a world beater?

Surely it is not worrying hatred to think that.

please! The other day you were concerned enough to call me a POS. (Which I was disappointed to learn did not mean person of Substance.)

 

There you go ducking. Again.

People are not offended, they are simply asking you to be consistent and not twist things.

You made the comparison to Lamar Clark and you called Williams "pretty good" in this very thread. The only logical conclusion is you must think Lamar Clark was pretty good and could beat some of the same opponents Williams did and produce similar results.

I'll ask in plain English, and I would like yes or no answers please.

-do you think Lamar Clark goes 10 with George Chuvalo in an intense back and forth battle?

-Do you think Lamar Clark could have 4 brutal wars with Sonny Liston and Mac Foster, busting them up and hurting both?

-do you think Lamar Clark could get a draw with Eddie Machen?

-Do you think Lamar Clark could knockout Ernie Terrel.

Yes or no responses please.

 

I know a lot of people feel Williams was no big deal but styles make fights and a fast starting, pretty fast and very hard punching Williams may give Foreman a tougher fight than the much older Lyle who had a 4" shorter reach than the big cat ... it's all styles .. Sonny survived the blitz but Sonny had much moire overall boxing skill than George ..

 

Not to mention his bouts with Foster and Chuvalo were post gun-shot. He would most likely beat both in his prime (especially Foster).

 

No, nor do I need to. As I've stated before, your pathological lying about trivial things, your deception, your attempt to gaslight people, oh and you're irrational hatred for fighters who died literally decades ago.
I’m mad because I don’t think Williams was a world beater?

Here you are again being stupid. You thrive off the reactions and anger you generate with your behavior. A true sociopath.

A mentally ill POS.

Oh you're a person of substance all right!

By the way you STILL haven't responded to my comments. If you haven't the balls to do so, just admit you're wrong, and we'll drop it.