George Foreman vs John C Heenan

Hehe.Thanks for your self deprecating and objective reply.Betting money on boxing is a heartbreaking proposition.(BTW sorry about my rudeness of my post-I'm a noob after all). Personally,I find the history and heritage of boxing fascinating.I enjoyed the recent fine documentary on Channel 4,about Tom Cribb,Richmond and Molineaux.
A long as there are fans,who can ensure that these great fighters are not forgotten,I'm happy.

 

You didnt answer my question ,but I'll ask another which fights made Heenan atop notcher?Heen's wrestling skills were pretty poor actually ,Morrissey was clearly his master at that game ,Heenan stayed in the fight because he was superior at long range punching ,and then he only landed about 25 punches in the 22 minutes the fight lasted.Foremans stamina issues originate from 2 fights one in Zaire in tropical humidity where he exhausted himself throwing power punches non stop to try and ko a man with a great chin,and one in Peurto rico where he suffered heat exhaustion chasing Young.In his 40s Foreman goes the distance with the Champion and several top notchers ,he then goes most of the distance with another Champion and has enough stamina left to produce a title winning ko .IN NONE OF THESE FIGHTS DOES HE ONCE SIT DOWN BETWEEN ROUNDS.

 

Interesting stuff and a wonderful post.

 

Foreman goes the distance in his 40s by doing very little movement or punching. What about Oakland and New York, two fights against Peralta, was the heat a problem there also?

Morrissey fight, Heenan breaks his hand in the very first round. Heenan ended the first two rounds by throws, while he was still more or less fresh (he was not in very good shape for this bout). Long range fighting - what report are you using?
Despite again being out of shape vs Tom King, he showed excellent wrestling skills there.

 

Is there any reason why Foreman cannot punch to the body? Heenan had 2 recorded fights ,,where do you suppose he picked up these wrestling skills.Wrestling skills of the London Prize Ring consisted mainly of grabbing an opponent in a head chancery or a crossbuttock and throwing him as heavily as possible ,then falling on him,a war of attrition if you like ,we arent talking Gotch ,Hackenshmidt or Thesz here.I repeat Heenan had 2] fights, Foreman 81 fights,add to this Foreman was a street fighting thug according to his auto biography,the experience is clearly in Foreman's favour.Heenan was no John L he was a novice,and an unsuccessful one.

 

I conisder Heenan a great though, he fought one of the greatness, and bloodies, dirtist fights of all time if we go by records and reports with Sayers. Did you see drawings of that fight??? Both guys had eyes close and were cover with blood. I think if Heenan(And Sayers) could take that and still go on and fight to a draw, than I belive Heenan will be able to take about anything Foreman can thown. Now Foreman may knock him down, but we must rember that Heenan will have half a min, and not the ten count to recover. Had Frazier or Norton had that, they may have lasted longer. May have even out lasted Foreman under that rule set.

 

That Heenan had so few recorded fights doesn't mean he didn't have any beside those. On the contrary, the things he had shown in his recorded "debut" (vs Morrissey) clearly prove that he had had fighting experience before, complete newbies don't show blocking and hitting skills like he did.

 

Heenan did not break his hand he damaged 2 knuckles on a ring post .you say Foreman showed little movement in the fights you cited, count the punches recorded in the Heenan Morrissey scrap. I am using "Fight s For the Championship and Celebrated Prize Battles ",compiled from Bells Life,you know the book, you valued it for me.It gives Heenan the edge in long range punching .The contemporay paper of the time the "Spirit ",confirms this was Heenan's debut in the LPR

 

Sorry this is for Senya.

 

Heenan was a heavyweight fighting a small middle weight in Sayers,replace Heenan with Foreman ,how does it go?

 

BIG DEE HERE= London Prize Ring rules are bare knuckle no gloves of any kind
so Big George Foreman would not be throwing punches the way you throw them in a ring with gloves on. There is an art to throwing punches bareknuckle that is completely different than the way you throw with the gloves on. I know as I
fought as a sparring partner for club fighters in Los Angeles in the late 70s and was a street fighter too. Yes I had a very bad temper and attitude at the time and you didn`t throw punches the same way as you did in the ring or you would end up with a shattered hand. HEENAN HAS TO BE FAVORED IN THIS ENCOUNTER IF IT LASTS MORE THAN 1O MINS AS YOU CAN`T GO BY RDS AS A RD ENDS WHEN A MAN HITS THE GROUND AND THEN HAS TO COME TO SCRATCH. A RD COULD GO A FEW SECONDS OR 10 MINS. GEORGE WOULD GET VERY TIRED WHERE HEENAN WOULDN`T EVEN BE WINDED.

 

Huh? Fights for the championship is a British book abouts fights that had taken place in England. Also, I don't know what edition you have, but mine was printed in 1855, three years before Heenan and Morrissey met.

 

My book includes the Heenan Morrisey fight ,or do you think I made it up? It was printed in the 1850s,the number after the 5 is smudged,but the account is read as a current fight,ie one that has just occurred.

 

Does it have on the cover something like this?

Fights for the championship of England;
or, Accounts of all the prize battles for the championship...including also the recent contests between Tom Sayers, Benjamin and Brettle.
To which is added the new rules of the ring, as revised by the Pugilistic Benevolent Association of England.
Compiled by the editor of Bell's Life in London.
New York:
Robert M. De Witt, Publisher
[1859]

i.e. a American re-print (going by Magriel's bibliography).

Obviously, the account of Morrissey-Heenan would be based on American sources, not on something originated from Bell's Life in London.

 

foreman by a very quick ko,

i respect guys like heenan alot but his only shot is based on try wrestle foreman.