George Foreman vs Lennox Lewis

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  1. Sweet Science

    Sweet Science Peaceful Muslim Warrior Full Member

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    Lewis was knocked out twice, Foreman was knocked out once. In other words Lewis is twice as likely to get knocked the **** out by a puncher than Foreman is.

    But hang on a sec, Foreman isn't just a puncher, he's the hardest hitting heavyweight ever. So I would say there is more than a 50% chance Foreman would knock Lewis out. Foreman might get knocked down during the fight but he'd get up and knock Lewis out.
     
  2. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    Your post shows how you overrate the Ali- era in general, if you really thinks that a fighter like Lyle hits harder than Lewis...
     
  3. Sweet Science

    Sweet Science Peaceful Muslim Warrior Full Member

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    The Ali era is widely regarded as the golden era of the Heavweight division. I am prepared to admit I may be wrong about Lyle hitting harder than Lewis, but I cannot rule out the power of Lyle. The man had a monster punch, I didn't say he was a good fighter or that he had any notable ability other than his power, but for one punch power I think he hit harder than Lewis.

    If anyone here is guilty of overrating anyone it's you and your analysis of Marciano.
     
  4. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    I´m not overrating Marciano, but I defend his legacy, it´s sad to read how little kiddies today speak about him ("Tye Fields would KO that bum in one single round!", "He beat only shot,former LHW´s", "He was too small, he couldn´t beat a big and skilled fighter like Ali", etc.), and I do it with every other fighter when I feel he´s getting underrated. Your comment is totally false, the one-punch was Lewis strength as a puncher. Lyle was in general a better puncher than Lewis (because Lewis was also a great boxer), but one-punch-wise Lewis hit much harder than Lyle, look how many good fighters Lewis KO´d with one punch and now look at Lyle...
     
  5. Sweet Science

    Sweet Science Peaceful Muslim Warrior Full Member

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    If power is a fighters only notable attribute then they are not going to win many fights against upper tier opposition. All Lyle had going for him was his tremendous one punch power but that was not enough. Lewis had great power and great overall skills too, thats why he knocked out a greater number of good fighters. I believe Lyle hit harder.

    I take on board your comment about you wanting to defend the legacy of Marciano against "little kiddies" who talk ****. But with respect I am not one of those little kiddies. I just think you overrate Marciano, but then again you probably think I overrate Ali.
     
  6. Luigi1985

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    I didn´t mean that you´re a kid, you´re a good and serious poster, and I never read **** from you like the example I came with (Fields-Marciano), I respect your opinion, but to be honest, I don´t overrate Marciano, and he´s not one of my favourite fighters, but I notice that he´s getting overrated, so I defend him correctly IMO, I don´t think you overrate Ali, I think you overrate the Ali- era in general, but that´s not the topic now...


    my prediction for Lewis- Foreman:



    Lewis is in the first few rounds a bit scary because of Foreman´s power, and that´s why he´s only slightly ahead on points, but than he hurts Foreman more and more with his shots and Foreman gets KO´d later... Lewis combination of skills, power and size would be too much for Foreman


    Lewis TKO 11 Foreman
     
  7. Sweet Science

    Sweet Science Peaceful Muslim Warrior Full Member

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    Thats fair enough Luigi, I respect your opinion too.

    Just out of interest (I know its of topic) but where does Marciano rank in your top 10 Heavyweights ever?
     
  8. Luigi1985

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    In my ATG´s- lists, I make it with ca. 70 % legacy, and 30 % head-to-head( and I rate Marciano high, because he had good HOF´s- opponents, and fought always the nr. 1-challenger, was unbeaten, needed never the help of the judges, etc.), here´s my Top 15 now:



    1: Joe Louis
    2: Muhammad Ali
    3: Rocky Marciano
    4: James J. Jeffries
    5: Joe Frazier
    6: George Foreman
    7: Jack Dempsey
    8: Jack Johnson
    9: Harry Wills
    10: Lennox Lewis
    11: Larry Holmes
    12: Evander Holyfield
    13: Sonny Liston
    14: Ezzard Charles
    15: Mike Tyson
     
  9. Sweet Science

    Sweet Science Peaceful Muslim Warrior Full Member

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    Thanks for that Luigi, much appreciated. A fine list.
     
  10. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    Thank you very much! I hope I forgot nobody in my list... :D
     
  11. Robbi

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    Wrong. Lewis did get up, against McCall. He had both gloves tucked into his chin ready to go, although he was extremely shaken at the time the referee waved the fight off.

    Many other referees would have given Lewis the benefit of the doubt as champion and let him continue.

    I will freely admit, If Lewis was allowed to go on I'm pretty sure he would have been stopped on his feet by a McCall bombardment, or maybe even knocked down again.
     
  12. ChrisPontius

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    That means you admit Lewis hits harder than Lyle?
     
  13. Sweet Science

    Sweet Science Peaceful Muslim Warrior Full Member

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    No I think Lyle hits harder but I wouldn't put my house on it.
     
  14. Robbi

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    Lewis' power is underrated. Just look at his showings against Ruddock, Morrison, Briggs, Golota, Grant, Botha, Rahman, and Tyson.

    He maybe never quite had the power of Foreman and Tyson, but he wasn't far behind them in the power department.
     
  15. Doppleganger

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    I'm pretty certain that punch for punch Lewis hit harder than Tyson. As for Foreman Lewis was a different type of puncher than George. Going back to the clean versus dirty power Lewis was closer to 'clean' whilst Foreman's power was 'dirtier'. I am sure that Lewis was a more 'correct' puncher than Foreman because they were delivered in a straight line whilst Foreman's were generally wide and looping.