george foreman vs muhammad ali rematch in 76??

I would still lean with Ali, he had the mental edge and victory over George by KO so he would be confident and Big George was still struggling with stamina issues. Late rounds would be tough for GF

 

I recently rewatched Ali-Young,....there's no doubt that Young was robbed...anyone not seeing that is blind and willingly delusional.

 

Something that is not like this:
http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=211663

Luckily my arguments, answers and counter replies are already here so I can just post this link.

 

How can such a close fight be considered a robbery? And let's stay on topic.

Ali would have had a huge psychological advantage over Foreman in a rematch. Foreman's stamina was still pretty bad. Foreman's only chance to win would be by KO, which is not very likely to happen.

Ali by KO in the later rounds or by UD.

 

I was asking Frankie about Jimmy's fight with Foreman. Wondering if he had the same excuses for George in that fight as he did with the one with Ali.

 

Foreman.

 

6 posters above believe Foreman would win the rematch in '76 - without explaining how they would see him winning. Can Foreman knock out Ali or do some of you believe he can outpoint Ali over 15 rounds. I can't see either happening ....

 

Frankenfrank.
Ive read your link to previous thread.
This thread is about who wins a 1976 rematch, the answer to which i honestly don't know.
As for Zaire and the points you make/ i've always seen **** Sadler as a suspicious figure and even did a thread about him once.
He turned up in Ali's corner in a couple of later fights (honestly dont see what he brought to the table).
Truth about the ropes is both camps and fighters have the same chance to check them pre fight and as champ, GF could have objected to anything really.
I think the answer to Zaire lies more in the fact that GF was very one dimensional and lacked stamina to a degree (facts re inforced by the Young fight).

 

foreman would have got revenge on a ali suggestive of early parkinsons by then, but it wouldn't have been sweet revenge against his increasingly crocked opponent.

George would be in his physical prime, ali at the beginning of being an incurable patient, so George may have forced the ref to stop the fight.

Cant see ali quitting or staying down though, top three hw chin in history and too brave/stupid to give up.

 

Ali again easily in 1976, rapidly declining or not.

Foreman has less chance of out boxing Ali than there is of the Pacific Ocean turning into a desert.

All he would be able to do is what he did in the first fight, flail away like a moron and get nothing but tired.

 

1. A hot day in a hot place. 2. Ali was not Jimmy Young.

 

Must I mention the Joey Maxim quip yet again ?

 

I believe that Ali was in absolute peak condition, physically and mentally, going into the Foreman fight. He was better prepared in Zaire than in any other time in his career (not to say he wasn't well prepared in other fights, i.e. Norton II and Liston I).

If an Ali-Foreman rematch, instead of Ali-Norton III, took place in September 1976, all other factors being the same, Ali wouldn't have the same edge as he had in Zaire for lots of reasons (age, he'd now knew for sure Foreman was beatable, etc.)

BUT Foreman wasn't the same monster as he was in 73-74, either. Sure, he was coming off the best win of his 76-77 run in Frazier II, but even then it took him five rounds instead of two against an older fatter Frazier. His confidence was shaken. His focus wasn't there. He'd already been beaten by Ali. He had stamina issues.

An Ali-Foreman autumn 1976 rematch goes much like Young-Foreman. No way Foreman KO's Ali. Ali outlasts George and stops an exhausted Foreman in 13 or 14.

 

What does Jimmy Young have to do with it?
The thread is about Ali vs Foreman, not Jimmy Young vs Foreman.
I was referring to the Ali fight and it had more factors in it except from the heat. Like ropes, like possibly dopes, dehydration, life threats.

Mirena opted to keep his secrets about it for hell. Mubuto probably forgot or never knew the details. Don King and probably Ali too keep their secrets about it for hell too.

D!ck Saddler was the trainer of Ali's opponents in 3 of the most fixed fights ever and I read that he was seen in Ali's corner too.
Also Archie Wright's trainer, and Archie had many of those highly dramatic multiple KD shows ending 1 way or another. With the winner KDd 2 a 9 count (vs Marshall , vs Charles) or multiple times (that Canadian) and probably more. When it happens so often and the man has such a lengthy career it has to have fixes in it.

 

Funny to read and quite silly. Sadler was a decent man who worked in corners for pay. He was quite good at it and Foreman liked him to be in his team lead by Archie Moore. The same guys teached Foreman how to beat Frazier behind a straight jab. In Zaire Foreman stubbornly decided to neglect the jab. He came out swinging and paid the price. There´s no conspirecy. Fighters know what to drink and when to drink.
The best way to dehydrate and weaken a fighter is to put 5 hookers in to his bedroom the night before the fight. If Foreman entered the ring as sure loser - it was´nt because of Sadler - more likely he had spend his power on ladies. Better blame 5 hookers than one dead Sadler, FrankenFrankenFransky !