George Foreman vs Oleksandr Usyk

I sincerely apologise if I was wrong in calling you biased. It was the only conclusion I was able to elicit from such witless logic, post after post.

"from a poster who knows his boxing".

Another legend only in his own head.

 

i dont know if youre stupid, never read my posts before, or just a spaz, but knowledgeable posters dont question my boxing knowledge. they may not agree, but they know it aint cause i dont know boxing. now you, on the other hand, who are you?

 

Usyk by UD

 

The 1970s Foreman stops Usyk in two or three.

As far as George in his 40s, let's wait until Usyk is in his 40s and see how he compares to the 90s version of Foreman.

I doubt a 42-year-old Usyk would be able to beat the prime Holyfield who George faced. Usyk is barely getting past unranked guys like Chisora right now, and Usyk's 40s are still quite a few years away.

 

Am sorry but if over the hill Dereck Chisora bullied Usyk at stages in the fight what the hell you think any age Foreman would do to him....yes use Usyk like a tooth pick

 

Lol Usyk beat a washed up Chazz Witherspoon at heavyweight. The same Witherspoon who got owned by Chris Arreola. Usyk struggled to beat various 190 pound guys. Usyk was down on the score cards against a natural 175 pound Tony Bellews. Usyk isn't a natural heavyweight and has nothing on George Foreman.

Young Foreman would stop Uysk in a few rounds tops. Old Foreman would stop him in the mid rounds if not early.

 

If Chisora could land the way he did on Usyk I feel Foreman could land his shots too, but Foreman was a much bigger puncher than Chisora.

Foreman was great at manhandling smaller men and moving them into his punches. He was too slow to box them in the traditional way and so used his size and strength to push, pull, frame them into vulnerable positions. I haven't seen anything in Usyk's repetoire to suggest he has the ability to clinch and hold like Ali or also Young to stifle Foreman's strong man tactics.

Foreman likely KO's him. You can't just outbox 70's Foreman you need to be able to counter his strength advantage and manhandling style.

I pick Usyk over 90's Foreman though, he'd slowed enough then to be out boxed by worse fighters than Usyk.

 

Who he had struggled to beat? Briedis? Yeah, he barely won this one, this is correct and fight was even more close than on scorecards.
Briedis isn't 190 lber, dude was approx 199 lbs in weight ins.
Okey, go further. All these : Hunter, Glowacki and Gassiev are CW boxers he did not had stopped. All they had weight ins weight more than 196.5 lbs.

You are Usyk hater.
Usyk did not had boxed vs Bellew for british judges cards. He is not so dumb as you think.
He stopped Bellew.

Next stuff you use to claim how incapable at CW Bellew was is ridiculous lie to reduce Usyk's achievements.
Bellew was former WBC World Cruiserweight champion and he get title vs Makabu who is current WBC champ at CW division.
Bellew also had beat Masternak at CW.
Bellew had won 2 fights at HW vs Haye.

Here is Bellew profile for lazy ppl easier to check, click on link and you will get it.
BoxRec: Tony Bellew

 

I Think Foreman would eventually manage to trap Usyk and stop him, after being made to look very poor for a majority of the fight

 

Usyk on points would be my bet if this one were genuinely on the table.

Foreman is a monster, but unlike a lot of big punchers he needs to be able to control his opponent in order to break them down. He doesn't just bomb fighters out with one or two big shots like Tyson but manoeuvres them into positions where his slow clubbing blows have the most chance of landing cleanly. This works great against shorter or more static targets whom he can batter back with his jab and two handed push till he's got them pinned to the ropes, but against more mobile darting fighters he often found his lack of speed a hindrance. If he can get his jab going against Usyk he'll open up all his other tools, but if he finds himself falling short he's going to start getting timed and swinging at air. Foreman's slow feet would be a major disadvantage against Usyk's darting movement, and while his jab can match Usyk's handspeed, his power punches are considerably slower and more telegraphed, hence his need to set his offence up beforehand with jabs, parries, wrestling and so on. But Foreman was a master at cutting off the ring, and the psychological pressure he could employ with his feints, half steps etc could be a major asset to offsetting Usyk's output.

There are strong chances for either man. The reason I lean towards Usyk is how well he adapted in fights. If he can survive the first few rounds, which I think he will, then he'll be in a position to land his shots on an increasingly frustrated Foreman. I can see Foreman getting wild with his shots to the point where he abandons all semblance of form in a desperate attempt to land a fight ender on the ever-moving target of Usyk. If he does that the fight's basically over, and while the older Foreman wouldn't lose his cool, the earlier prime version (which I'm assuming we're picking here) could let his emotions get the better of him. Lots of variables though. Fight basically hinges on whether Foreman can control the ring on Usyk and keep his emotions in check if he can't pin him down with his usual ease and/or finds himself getting picked off. My opinions would also drastically change if Usyk gets blasted out by Joyce or Joshua or whoever in the near future. Right now my gut instinct lies with Usyk close UD.

 

Is Usyk that much smaller than Foreman though? He's around the same height and was likely competing at CW at around 210lbs when rehydrating was taken into account. Their reaches are almost identical too. He's certainly bigger than Young, who wasn't overawed by Foreman's physicality.

I think too much is made of Chisora's moments of success against Usyk. Chisora doesn't fight like Foreman, and aside from the first few rounds where he was throwing with reckless abandon he really didn't do too well once Usyk had weathered the storm and found his rhythm.

Anyway Foreman isn't going to be bulling forward throwing caution to the wind, at least in the early rounds. He'll be his usual patient self, attempting to methodically cut the ring on Usyk using his jab and framing to get Usyk into positions where he can land his bigger shots, which will likely be uppercuts and bodyshots in the main, not wild swinging overhand rights out of a crouch. If he can pin Usyk down into a corner then he could do some real damage, but I think Usyk proves a bit too slippery for him like Young did. After a certain point I see Foreman losing his composure and just trying to bomb Usyk out, abandoning his jab and any attempts to control the ring. That increases his danger to Usyk but also makes him more vulnerable, and I think by that stage Usyk would have figured out Foreman's rhythm enough to really make him pay.

 

Young George pushes Usyk aro8nd the ring like a rag doll and Frazerizes him with 8 rounds.

Fat combacking George loses a UD .

 

This is imo the most likely outcome, Foreman would be getting outboxed by Usyk but the relentless pressure and the bodyshots he would put on Usyk would probably pay off eventually. But i can also see Usyk just beating him by decision or stopping him late. Foreman was powerful but he didn't match well against slicksters or high level outboxers

 

Usyk might be able to dance around old Foreman but it would probably end like Moorer.
Young George would KTFO Usyk. Usyk is no where near as good as Ali. That isn't a valid comparison. Nowhere near.
Again, Usyk is completely over rated by some people it's crazy. He was a good Cruiserweight. That's all so far.

 

Lots of Cruiserweights now are over 200lb on fight night, thats the problem. Most of them would be heavyweights if you transported them into the 70s, especially Usyk. Usyk is probably like 210 on fight night which is around as big as Ali was on fight night in the 60s and 70s. You remember Jerry Quarry and Floyd Patterson ? They would be modern day cruiserweights. And others like Foreman, Frazier, Norton etc, they're legit heavyweights but they're also only like 10 pounds hevier than a modern cruiserweight on fight night.

But i do agree that Usyk isn't better than Ali, you dont have to be an Ali to beat Foreman though like Jimmy Young proved