George Foreman vs Oleksandr Usyk

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Fr thought but If i remember correctly Lance Whitaker was literally 6'8, 260 pounds. Thats giant by even todays standards and he holds a win over Oleg Maskaev and Savarese beat him. And an OLD ASS FAT Foreman beat Savarese in a close fight.

Why do people overlook this but praise Chisora. It probably is because he's a brit.

 

of course it is. that fat perennial loser is beating atg hw's in fantasy fights here, and its brits and usyk nut riders that got him doing it. not all brits of course, some of the top heads here are brits, but the majority are hype machines.

 

Chisora wouldn't even beat Buster Mathis

Just compare the two.

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its frickin insane what they talk themselves into believing. i mean, i get it, most of these guys only know them from boxrec, and they just repeat what the other nuthugger is saying, knowing they got support.

 

I'm not sure why Chisora is even being discussed. If someone is making a case for Usyk beating Foreman they don't need to cite him as evidence. His wins at cruiserweight and in the amateurs provide ample evidence.

Foreman was beaten by guys who could easily make cruiserweight today with early weigh ins. Moreover in the 1970s there was no cruiserweight division and in the 1990s it was set at 190 so literally everyone Usyk has beaten as a pro is a heavyweight by the standards of Foreman's day.

 

Usyk's style is the reason he wins. But Foremans destructive wins over Frazier and Norton and his win over Moorer realistically eclipse Usyks resume even if we lowball and say these guys are also cruisers, because the 70s was a mix of guys who were the size of modern cruisers and guys who were legit heavyweights. The 70s "heavyweight era" was FAR stronger and stacked than the cruiserweight era of today. And Foreman well past it did decent in a legit super heavyweight era of the 90s

There is nobody on Usyks resume that would beat Foreman, and there a few guys on Foremans resume that would probably beat Usyk.

 

Chisora is being discussed because this win is all there is on his heavyweight resume, a UD over an old, slow barely above club fighter level fighter at this point.

 

If Jimmy Young could beat Foreman than realistically someone like Breidis and Hunter probably has a shot although I don't know if either should be favored. Foreman's most impressive wins at least to me seem to over guys who suited him stylistically. Guys who were not renowned for elusiveness which is helpful when facing a huge puncher.

Who on Foreman's win resume do you think would beat Usyk? He lost to Holyfield and Ali so they don't factor in and the version of Frazier Foreman fought was out of shape and seemingly not in peak form.

 

Breidis would get walked down, manhandled and KO'd by Foreman. The size difference would be the same as Foreman vs Frazier. Quick slippery fighters who try and stay at range give Foreman the most trouble. Thats the thing about that match. Foreman is a legit healthy heavyweight who doesn't cut weight for cruiser.

Frazier would beat Usyk and he would do it easily. He is all wrong for Usyk, just like Usyk is all wrong for Foreman. He would relentlessly pressure him all night with a gas tank that can go all 12 unlike Chisora. He would pin Usyk down and batter his body. We legit saw spots of Breidis walking Usyk down and giving him hell. Usyk was pushed back and he had to tuck up on the ropes. It would be a complete nightmare for Usyk and Frazier would be bobbing and weaving his head in an unorthodox way so it would be harder for Usyk to catch Frazier coming in. Ali didn't have the power to keep him at bay and Usyk wouldn't either.

Watch all of these clips and you'll see what im talking about

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Breidis only did it in spurts because he isn't a natural pressure fighter yet he still pinned Usyk down when he did. Frazier is a natural pressure fighter. Frazier would not let up for a second and he would beat Usyk down on the ropes, every single round.

And Norton would beat him in a similar fashion. He would force Usyk backwards round by round and drag him into a dogfight like he did Larry Holmes and Muhammad Ali. Usyk doesn't do well under pressure, thats why he also struggled against Chisora, and Lomachenko is also someone who doesn't do well against pressure fighters, and guess what, he's trained by the same guy who trains Usyk.

Jimmy Young is better than Michael Hunter, he's an entire level above him just like Usyk was. It's not even a comparison. You can't make this up. Did you not see Jimmy Young fight Ken Norton ? He had way quicker hands and better head movement in addition to a quicker jab and infought incredibly well. As a matter of fact he infought better than Usyk. That being said Young was almost KO'd a couple of times in the Foreman fight. Hunter gives Foreman trouble early but in addition to Hunters suspect gas tank, he'd get worn down by huge shots to the body like the one Young took and he'd get stopped by the mid rounds. Jimmy Young has a decent chance against Usyk. He had great hand speed and has head movement superior to that of Michael Hunter as shown against Ken Norton. Michael Moorer would also beat all of current Usyks opponents except his upcoming one

 

Usyk wins by UD. Foreman is damnnnn slow so he can't catch Usyk.

 

Breidis has yet to be ko'd by anyone same with Hunter. I'm not sure how we can be sure how easy it is to kayo either of them given nobody is yet to accomplish it. I don't think we have enough evidence to say how badly Usyk deals with pressure fighters. The Chisora fight was after a considerable layoff. Usyk has an extremely high work rate throwing more than 800 and 900 punches. That's going to be a problem for many opponents. Norton doesn't exactly strike me as a relentless pressure fighter.

 

Well Foreman was a huge puncher, Holyfield claimed he hit harder then Bowe and Lewis. Moreso than anybody they have probably ever faced. Norton was more relentless than Breidis, and was mostly on the front foot, in the opponents face, working the body and getting on the inside. The Chisora fight shows a lot because Chisora wasn't as relentless as Frazier, nor was Breidis. It's clear evidence he struggles with pressure, or else he wouldn't have had a problem with Breidis and Chisora pressing forward. Frazier has the stamina and workrate to match and surpass Usyks pace, not that it would matter because Usyk would be getting battered on the ropes for half the fight.

 

George would be more dangerous than AJ

 

I shudder to think what Prime Foreman let alone 40 year old Foreman would do to this lot.