George Foreman Vs Rocky Marciano

I like Marciano but he doesn't have a single advantage over Foreman in fact Big George has every single advantage you can think of apart from perhaps stamina which likely wouldn't be a factor

 

It’s a bad fight for Rocky I admit. But he can’t be entirely ruled out or mistaken for Kingston Frazier. George would be in a serious fight.

 

Their's no "perhaps" about Marciano having better stamina than Foreman.

 

but Who would say Kovalev wouldn’t beat any good fighters around the time you think he was about as bad as old Louis?

please name them. I would like to see that list. 200 pound contenders who would steam roll the Joe Louis coming off the win over Jimmy Bivins?
Line them up. Who you got?

 

Stamina wouldn't be a factor

 

I agree.

 

The current 70's plus year George Foreman might struggle with a prime Rocky Marciano. Current 70 year old George Foreman would stop Marciano in the second round.

Every version of Foreman that actually fought would stop Marciano in 1 round.

 

Anyone who watched the fight. Kovalev was shot and it only took so long because Canelo was so short and showed him too much respect and caution.

Anyone who was 200 lbs and ranked in the top 10? Easy.

Dillian Whyte
Luis Ortiz
Samuel Peter
Jimmy Ellis
George Chuvalo
Ron Lyle
Oscar Bonavena
Earnie Shavers
Ken Norton
Cleveland Williams
Alexander Povetkin
Frank Bruno
James Tillis
Jimmy Young
Carl Williams
Gerry Cooney
David Tua

I was generous and didn't include anyone who would become undisputed or lineal.

I can name several more.

Nobody on this forum except rabid Rocky fans would pick old Louis in his last fight to beat anyone on that list at their best when they were prime and ranked. Even if I eliminated anyone who held a single strap/portion of the title I could come up with a long list.

 

Thanjs for taking up the challenge at least.

I see what you did there, you are including a lot of fighters from the PED era who are hard to assess. Failed drugs Cheats like Povetkin, Ortiz and Whyte should be excluded from any consideration.

That leaves Norton and Carl truth williams as the only two I give a fighting chance of winning against 51 Louis. Which isn’t bad company. A good level for past prime Joe Louis. Can they steam roll him though? Louis would have to be as bad as Dwayne Bobick or somebody like Rodney Frazier to guarantee a steamrolling loss to those two. Who would bet on Louis being that bad after his 8-0 run?

remember he’s just beat Bivins, is in shape and hasn’t fought Rocky yet.

Theres no way Tillis, Cleveland Williams, Shavers, Bruno, Chuvalo , Bonavena or Lyle have any guarantees of more than a 50-50 chance of winning. If you look at the best wins of this group None of them beat enough guys that old Louis wouldn’t beat. Cleveland’s best win was who? Lyles was probably Joe bugner. That’s no guaranteed proof. Shavers probably Jimmy Ellis or old Norton. Again, hardly that endorsing. Tillis has old shavers. He never steamrolled anyone.. If Chuvalo lost to Joe Erskine and Pete Radmacher how is he steamrolling over 51’ Louis? Bonavena lost to Ellis and Foley. It’s just crazy talk. Bruno, for all his muscles, never beat a live opponent who wanted to win. There’s nobody here starting favourite against win streaking #1 contender former champion Joe Louis if you ask me.

Going into the canelo fight Kovalev put in a really good winning effort against unbeaten Anthony Yarde. That’s the performance going in against Canelo. I asked who thought Kovalev couldn’t beat a good fighter anymore? Well he’d just beat an unbeaten contender hadn’t he? And you couldn’t answer this.

 

Respectfully disagree with this list. So many fighters lost to lesser fighters w less smarts less power and less skills. 51 Louis beat several ranked contenders in Savold, Bivins, Beshore, Agramonte, and a damn good Brion. That’s all In 51. The revisionist history around this win is astounding. You’d think he was retired for six years and decided to make a comeback. Obviously wasn’t himself but if you think he couldn’t have gotten by the likes of Chuvalo or Ortiz shavers or Tua I’d disagree whole heartedly. He obviously doesn’t get by all of them but he’s def not losing to them all.
We get it you don’t like Marciano. But if we take any fighter you make like and post their profile we can rip their resume to shreds as well. Unless there name is Ali.

 

End of thread

 

Exactly.

There’s not many that can steamroll a past prime, win streaking former champion.

Certainly not James Tillis.

 

What power? Louis was only had 1 actual knockout in 9 fights leading up to the Rocky match. And the KO was against a very shopworn Savold. Skills? Louis was a 1 armed fighter against Rocky. If I had a dollar for every right hand he threw, I wouldn't be able to buy a meal at McDonalds.

He was shot.

No, you really can't. Like I said, Rocky is somehow the only HW champ with 2 very dubious opponents that were both ranked and over 200 lbs and neither were prime.

I rate Rocky very highly h2h against men his own size. Me being skeptical about how he'd do against men Foreman's size doesn't make me a "hater" when he has fought literally zero opponents that size. I don't get what's so complicated here.

Me pointing out that Louis was old and not a very good opponent h2h I'd something literally thousands of people have observed, including several old school historians. This is nothing new. It's you guys who are using revisionist history.

 

Rocky was Italian. Just sayin

 

Lol.

You're not about to shift the goal posts and eliminate everyone when it's convenient based on Peds. Several of the men I mentioned have approximately zero failed drug tests.

That wasn't the criteria. The criteria was prime fighters over 200 lbs ranked in the top 10. I listed more than a dozen and I could list a dozen more even if you want to shift the goal post and ignore anyone you think might have been on Peds.

Go ahead and make a thread on any boxing forum asking people if they think the Louis specifically of the Rocky fight would best those men. I guarantee only Rocky fans would favor him. I am not interested in going back and forth with you nitpicking each contender I listed.

I did my part and answered your question.

You have failed to provide an example of Rocky beating a prime 200 pound contender. Therefore I remain unconvinced. I maintain my position that Rocky would not fair well h2h against such men without evidence and a shot Joe Louis and fat C level don C isn't cutting it.