George Foreman Vs Rocky Marciano

Nothing wrong with that fight.

Savold was a very crafty veteran fighter from the same generation as Louis.

I don’t think you understand the style of fighting they fought then. Feints and traps being set. Drawing one another in. Very experienced guys. Because it looks different to what you can understand you are missing how Advanced technically this type of boxing is.

It’s not worse or better than the style of boxing that you can understand, it’s just different.

Louis couldn’t get the right hand over as fast as he could because it was that bit slower, but do not forget Louis of his prime did a lot of knocking out, highlight reel finishes with his left hook anyway. Max Baer was knocked out by left hooks. Galento was upended with a left hook. Al Ettore was famously demolished with a left hook. And against Savold, Louis still had this.

But the right hand is still there, just harder to land. The overuse of the right hand when it is more difficult to land at this stage would have exposed him to the kind of counters Savold was looking for. Clearly, Louis is a different fighter. But still a top level operator. His landing ratio is good. His output is less because he no longer is prime..but still a decent world class hitter.

A blind man could see the hard right hand played a big part in setting up the wonderful one punch finish at the end.

 

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Is this a constructive point of view that addresses a difference of opinion?

 

Wow. You really have no eye for even the most basic aspects of the sport. My suggestion is that if you are not too old or feeble, go attend a gym for a year or two and learn how things happen in the ring, how openings develop and proclivities are recognized and taken advantage of, especially when they are boldly obvious.

Otherwise, no offense, but given your current understanding of the sport, I can't start to entertain discussing this with you.

Cheers.

 

Sorry I was just reminded of the great Lennox Lewis' struggles with a much smaller 37 year old Holyfield.

If only Evander could have pulled the trigger more on those right hands.

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And this has exactly what to do with a Foreman-Marciano thread?

 

He's an idiot and thinks since Lewis struggled with Holyfield its proof that that Marciano could beat bigger guys like Foreman and Bowe. Even though Holyfield was a lot bigger than Marciano and arguably better

 

So when Lewis is held up to the microscope Maricano is, you resort to name calling and strawmen arguments. Why not...it's the internet, you are free to act like a child here.

You can join Swag on my ignore list, you lost the privilege to debate me.

 

I didn't realize it was such an honor to debate you.

 

When I type a lot of you dudes do not know what you are looking at this a clear cut example, This is a guy posting what he wants to believe and not what is actually being shown on film, I am willing to bet this fight wasnt watched at 1 /4th speed more than once, and this lazy poster paper cobra didnt rewind exchanges over and over and figure out the why or how things were working, I will give a real breakdown on these time stamps.

 

here all the jabs joe louis threw around 8 minutes til the round ended (lol that jab was blocked and it was a path for rocky to counter or make his way in)

at 8 minutes rocky slips and parries the jab he could have lead hooked to the body as he went in but didnt and set himself up well on the inside
https://makeagif.com/i/R2_DQ-

next jab louis threw at 8 mins 7 seconds (how did rocky hit joe with that overhand the answer is here ,he parried that jab and with that lead
arm outta position he threw the counter right it missed here but in other instances it landed
https://makeagif.com/i/QAd6si

at 8 mins 13 3 more jabs from joe all misses
https://makeagif.com/i/cS5_dI

at 8 mins 17 seconds another jab dodged rocky makes his way in with a right left to body and joe hops back and fires a counter right
that is how you hit rocky with counters not with jabs
https://makeagif.com/i/TvOgze

at 829 I included rockys pre emptive outside slip and raising of the rear hand in anticipation of the jab before he finally counters another missed jab with a rear hand that leads to a clinch
https://makeagif.com/i/dzkpvD


from that point until round 4 , Joe didnt land a single solid jab , I counted 9 missed jabs from 830 to 9 37 (start of round 4)

It wasnt til 9min 45 seconds did louis land a solid jab (even thats debatable) from 8 minutes to 9mins 45 Louis threw 18 jabs missed 17 landed one in that time span. You have to counter rocky on the way in or when he swings or beat him up in the clinch/Inside you dont jab rocky its not really gonna work.

Folks are clueless around here lolol.

 

I gave a real breakdown. I watched this fight 4x and gave specific time stamps so you can judge for yourself.

Don't know why you're accusing me of being a "lazy" poster after writing a thorough break down of the fight with several paragraphs of explicit detail.

Nothing I wrote was inaccurate and I challenge you to write your own break down and compare it to mine in a poll to ask people who they think analyzed the fight better. Put your money where your mouth is or shut up and don't ever reply to me.

 

Yes, we're going to ignore Rocky saying he struggled with the jabs, ignore his black eye, ignore the ring announcer saying he is getting hit by tons of jabs, and ignore our own eyes. You're the only person to be able to see the fight objectively 50 years later.

 

It literally took you 1 hour to write a post on basic rear hand parrying. Anyone who watches the film can see Marciano parries well. You are doing exactly what the 'modernists' do - picking second long clips out of context and building your narrative. What about all the times in the full film Marciano does get hit with the jab?

@Glass City Cobra went out of his way to actually post a well written breakdown from a reasonable position which others also hold. He even put time stamps. If you don't agree, fair enough, but there's no need to be rude. I don't agree with his some of his overall views on Marciano vs Louis in their primes, but I won't go 'lolol loser don't know nothing folks around here are clueless'. To top it off, your counter 'points' are basic. Your posts lately have made you look a right ****ing dickhead. Just stop the pretentiousness.

 

yes it was inaccurate and lazy and if thats what you concluded after watches you would be fired as a boxing analyst,you went off the announcer and not what was actually happening or your eyes do not work properly and you need glasses . Lets break down your break down
sure you documenting rocky misses are on point ,any idiot can see that . But the part where you are flat out wrong is the idea that Joe was doing work with that jab, a large ass portion of the jabs were getting blocked,they were what lead to rocky getting inside or throwing that right overhand counter. If you payed attention and slowed the fight down instead of go off the announcer(those jabs are really working bla bla) you would have caught that . Gene ward believe voiced over those fights in the 1960s ,so it wasnt like that was a live play by play , that was an announcer commenting on a replay.

you say at 1139 rockys nose is bleeding from the jabs and infighting the last landed jab was 11 minutes 07 seconds and 11 minutes 19 seconds is the last joe throws 2 jabs (both miss) joe does hit rocky with 2 uppercuts on the inside to the face from 11 minutes and 7 secs and the uppercut at 11 minutes and 39 seconds is the punch that busts rocky , so no it wasnt from jabs you wish was for your agenda but it was tthe uppercuts tthat busted rockys nose.

at 14 minutes 48 seconds you comment that louis is making adjustments , Rocky is not doing a whole lot of adjusting its pretty straight forward its parry and slip the jab and counter while going in for rocky, go off in the clinch etc . The only thing Rocky changes is sometimes he parried and or slipped and went in, sometimes he threw a long counter overhand right ,sometimes he slipped and went in with a counter hook and right to the body . If Rocky never had to adjust to Joes jabbing ,a better conclusion is Rocky gets around jabs pretty well. I mean As I pointed out from that time stamp of 8 mintues to 945 seconds Joe landed 1 out of 18 jabs ! does 1 out of 18 jabs landed sound like an effective use of the jab to you?

You also make a note that Louis is tired and his legs are gone , uh dur genius how did that happen ,it wouldnt be rocky pushing joe agaisnt the ropes working his body forcing Louis to exert a ton of energy while sapping his energy with body shots ?

you are wrong about what happened at 17minutes 25 seconds
yes rocky threw the right hand and missed (only part that was true) Louis missed the counter because rocky properly went low with his head after the miss and hopped out of range ,he was not countered and Rocky was defensively responsible,you either didnt know he was being defensively responsible or you knew and omitted that.

your comment about 1750 to 1820 shows you can not believe what you are seeing , Louis dominating the fight in your limited vision yet he ends up knocked out , it was rocky catching Joe with a fluke shot , but Rocky wearing Joe down and countering that jab beautifully

you imply joe lost because he didnt have the stamina to keep up with rocky while not paying attention to what Rocky was doing and or attributing Joe getting tired to rocky !

Heres the kicker I do not like Rocky I think he is overrated , Joe to me is the goat at heavy ! number 10 in my all time pfp list and one of my favorites to watch. He got his ass whipped here(wont lose in his prime) to Rocky ,because marciano had the right fight tactics to do it!

asides from crap anyone can see (boy rocky misses alot, both boxers throw punches , Joe is taller than rocky etc) you can't really see or slow down the fight to see anything else (like the punches rocky is getting on joe iin the clinch and how rocky blocked that jab 80 percent of the time ! go get your eyes check dude lololol.