George Foreman Vs Rocky Maricano

.....i looked at the title of this thread and without reading any of the posts i've gone directly to the last page..and haven't read that one. the answer here is so obvious i don't see any need for discussion. . foreman kayos marciano early...before the fourth round.

 

Its 2:00 a.m. early Sunday and I'm sippin' Bourbon and replaying "Foreman-Martin" from 1989... Foreman at 256 pounds looks awkward, but effective against club-fighter Everett "Big Dick" Martin.... Foreman W 10 Martin.... YAWN!

MR.BILL:hat

 

this is what I used to think as a youngster but having watched a lot more foreman over the years, especially peak foreman you simply have to give Marciano a serious chance.

A lot of people give bob Satterfield a punchers chance against anyone on his two handed punch power alone. Marciano had this as well as the chin, desire, strength to eclipse the one chance bob would bring.

one dimensional chuvalo albeit strong, could never get out of the way,had one hand, was easier to read, much easier to hit and was actually still in his fight with foreman for a round. As a comparison to how far away chuvalo was to marcianos level remember that chuvalo lost to about 4 guys an older archie moore beat.

There is a lot of evidence that marcinao would do very well against the best of george foreman, especialy given his size.

 

the reach difference troubles me more. ali could hit foreman easier cuz of his extra reach. marciano is gonna take bombs to get in close to foreman.

 

Fanatics, now is that not a case of the pot calling the kettle black...there are reverse fanatics as well, HE Grant

 

Bummy said it right - you call yourself a historian - you're full of $h1t!! You are an embarrasment to true historians - you say I'm using revisionist history :huh Foreman came after Marciano and was always (and usually is still considered (by people who really do know historyanyway?)) to be the greater fighter - I think if you go back through boxing publications down the years and look at all the all time rankings from the pre-eminent historians/experts/journalists etc etc the big five on the whole have been Jack Johnson/Jack Dempsey/Joe Louis/Rocky Marciano/Muhammad Ali?? I don't ever remember regularly seeing George Foreman leap frogging anyones lists generally :huh - so how that I am being a revisionist historian??:huh Do you actually know the definition of the term 'revisionist historian'?? A revisionist historian would be someone who revises historically universally accepted notions in favour of ones that would seem ridiculous ??? Thats...? You!!:happy and your buddy Combat!! it is fact!!

 

:rofl:rofldead

 

that would be the logical viewpoint when a regular bigger powerhouse fights a smaller powerhouse. but we are not talking regular fighters.
If the bigger powerhouse ships a load of bombs from a guy as small as marciano like george did from ted gullick 9 month and 4 rounds earlier than fighting frazier im inclined to think marciano would have a picnic.
Marciano was an exceptional fighter who consistently delivered. In fact he consistently over achieved. george did not over achieve. george did not ALWAYS deliver.
when the going was good george was good. when the going was not so good whilst still brave, george hit a wall. when the going was not so good for marciano he was beter than expected.

 

foreman was a big powerful guy if he landed first. If his opponent was durable or george did not land first everyone found his chin. Marciano finding georges chin as easy as ted gullick found it is a problem for george.


Frazier was all of the things you say he was prior the 71 fight with Ali. you neglect to aknowledge that fraziers punch resistance was so seriously reduced after that pont that he reacted badly to all heavy shots he took after TFOTC.


The record shows frazier could no longer cope with a top level puncher after his first fight with ali. Foreman was a top level puncher.



Frazier was a great fighter but foreman only beat his shell. There was no resistance left. Norton was a guy who had been KO'd before. two good wins and two good resons why george has two good wins.

 

good points all Choklab :good - I watched Frazier-Foreman I earlier aswell and for the first minute and a half of the first round round Frazier is backing George up continually and Foreman doesn't look very comfortable when he's being pressed - Frazier is actually hustling Big George back and pushing the fightand then comes the first push from George at 1:32 he pushes Frazier back and then he starts unloading with all his might - Frazier looks a bit wobbled but lashes back with a left hook and from that point on George pushes Frazier back no less than 6 times in about 20 seconds - no punches at all (because he doesn't really have the poise or the correct technique or balance or the balls to punch inside) just pushing continuously again and again until Frazier gets a little frustrated and walks into the first inocuous looking uppercut that drops him

PS have alook at this video check the slow mo after the first round of the first knockdown - try and slow it as Foreman goes for the uppercut or pause it or something - Frazier's right leg is slipping back on the canvas and his knee is almost down only as the punch is connecting?? :huh Was that a slip?? I always thought that knockdown looked dodgy - a bit liuke Johnson-Ketchel - Fraziers leg seemed to buckle before the punch really connected and the punch didn't really seem to have been that worthy of a knockdown to me??

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similar start to round two also withFrazier going back to work punching Foreman back on his heals and Foreman not being able to do much to fight him other than push again - I count 5 blatant pushes before the ref suddenly goes a bit crazy and starts gesticulating with Foreman to cut out the constant pushing which actually kind of helps Foreman coz Frazier has stepped back and Foreman when the action is waved back on is able to catch Frazier half off-guard and extend again and wind up some massive swings from his own distance again - and sure enough Frazier does another hop skip and a jump to the canvas again

This fight is a good example of Foreman's good and bad - the bad?? He didn't really know how to fight and he didn't know how to really stop a determined pressure fighter from continuously getting in his face so he just resorted to continuously pushing - he didn't really make the fight - he simply throw his heave-ho arking haymakers when he got the chance - the good - the hay makers usually did the trick if people walked into them..and thats about it.

I wish people would quit with this Foreman had an amazing jab bilge aswell - Frazier was out-jabbing Foreman in the first minute and a half before Foreman started with all the pushing - watched Foreman-Norton again and Norton is out-jabbing Foreman in that one - and CHuvalo also jabbed freely with Foreman too - Don Dunphy on the commentary actually makes a sarcastic reference to it that Chuvalo's cornermen must've taught him something - when I watch the fights I keep coming back to the same thought - I don't think there's ever been a heavyweight champ ever who relied so much on his power or one who relied so much on being able to get a guy at a suitable distance before he unloaded his heavy guns - Marciano would never let him do that

 

Frazier and Marciano were to vastly different fighters - if you think they are similar in anyway then - you haven't watched them fight recently - plus Frazier's best fighting weight was 205lbs for FOTC - Marciano's best fighting weight from his own mouth was 187lbs - so that's 18lbs heavier not 29 as you stated (IT IS A FACT!!) - Better defence??!! Frazier was one of the most predictable and easy to hit guys in history - Marciano on record was one of the most awkward to catch.

PS Cus was not "a master of boxing" as you put it - oh yeah master of boxing right help Floyd Patterson dodge everyone in the world and turn him into a figure of ridicule and then watch from the sidelines while Kevin Rooney trains Tyson into a great fighter?? Yeah master of boxing right :good

 

Oh yeah the fact that YOU respect He Grant is proof that he "know about boxing" - jesus, that should actually prove the opposite in reality - just because it says 'historian/film maker' under his name don't mean diddly squat - the guys likes the sound of his own garbage and if you respect that?? :scaredas:

I'm the only one who thinks that Marciano would beat anyone?? Right?? Funny that because he's generally been ranked in the top 5 or thereabouts for the last 50 odd years so I'd guess theres more than just me who thinks that Rocky would beat anybody :good