George Foreman Vs Rocky Maricano

my main argument all along has been that peak George foreman was only 3-2 against elite fighters so this does not automatically mean he destroys any ATG. He clearly is a great fighter himself but if only foreman fans could ever consider it was only a shot Joe Frazier’s chin that let him down they would see that foreman is not so far ahead of other champions as they might think. foreman’s other big win only matches Luis Garcia, shavers and Cooney who great contenders they may have been were not all time greats.

Yes the potential was there to be better but foreman was too green and too arrogant to realise it at his best. Regardless of styles, It would be prudent to give most ATG heavyweights a 50-50 chance against peak George considering his short comings as well as his ape like strength.

 

It is that simple ... styles make fights. It does not matter about how Foreman lost to Ali or Young or that how a few here swear Rocky was super human ( while rationalizing his opposition) with the greatest chin, power, strength and stamina of all time .. Foreman is a terrible match up for Marciano and would wreck him.

 

It doesn't matter how Foreman lost to Ali or Young??:huh Does it matter how he beat Frazier or Norton or Lyle? Does anything matter??:huh

If you don't consider his top two opponents (Ali & Young) - and the results they acheived against him, how can you fairly judge him all the way round?? Bottom line is the two best fighters he fought (based on the level of performance they put up) both whooped his ass - yet you would probably say the way he beat Frazier and Norton shows he would kill anyone?? But Frazier fought possibly one of the dumbest fights I've ever seen anyone fight and Norton fought one of the most scared fights I've ever seen - and neither fight lasted more than about 5 minutes?? Foreman was very limited - Frazier just commited kamikazee and Norton was like a scared rabbit even before Foreman had tagged him with anything - when people fought the way they should (and could) they really showed up that the difference in the real class was definately there.

 

A perfect example of my point.

 

A more perfect example of MY point would be very difficult to find right now outside of you and Combateo

 

i see your point but i think it's unfair to dismiss two of foreman's greatest victories in frazier and norton while (i feel incorrectly) claiming ali and young were his top two opponents. norton and certainly frazier have more claim than young while holyfield also has a case (course we know what happened there)

foreman's victories should be taken into context but in some cases, styles make fights and i feel this is an example of such. foreman would hold advantages over marciano, as young and holyfield held advantages (at the time of the fights) over him

 

I base Ali and Young as his best opponents - based on how well they fought - for whatever reasons Frazier and Norton did not perform to anything like how they could - Frazier because he was never the same after FOTC and Norton because he was scared stiff and didn't commit himself properly - yeah styles do make fights but the only style comparisons that have been made so far are the Marciano-Frazier comparisons which way waaay off

 

yea Marciano would have KO'd George had he been in the ring instead of Judge...George never fought a world class puncher at that point in time...my point exactly...I do not say he did not have his talents and he was a very good fighter and had a punchers chance against anyone including Marciano but to dismiss Georges faults or dismiss Marciano is ridicules

A lot of People point to the Frazier fight but they should look at the Qwawi and Big Foot Martin fights to see how George was vulnerable to inside guys and the fact that George got hit a lot and these guys were not punchers.

 

Though I generally agree with the results you predict, I do not think any fight between two all time greats is that simple. If Marciano replaced Peralta in their first fight, do you think it would be that simple? I think Marciano has a chance to frustrate Foreman here, sting him and try to drag him into late rounds, but I do think Foreman would upset this approach, though it is in no way a certainty.

 

:goodmarciano can land if jerry judge lands on foreman.

 

Marciano weighed 190lbs in his pro debut against Lee Eperson.192 /2lbs v Keene Simmons,1901/4 vBill Wilson,190lbs v Johnny Shkor.

 

if it was about size valuev would be the G.O.A.T !