George Foreman Vs Rocky Maricano

It's not that it's "excellent". It is that if you had to decide how Foreman-Marciano was going to go and your life was on the line, and you could decree one fight to give you clues as to how that fight might go it would be Foreman-Frazier.

And Foreman absolutely crushed Frazier in a non-competitive bout. Not close. It was basically not contested. It was as big a thrashing as can be imagined between two ATG fighters.

Marciano and Frazier are different in some ways, and Frazier was past his prime. But as far as clues go it is the best single clue that can be imagined without their actually fighting. Additionally, Frazier being past his prime was kind of negated by Foreman's near-total superiority.

Taken in tandem with the universally acknowledged (Aside from by you) truism of boxing that a punching slugger has a style advantage over a swarmer AND Foreman's considerable advantages in size, and the work a poster has to do to make a case for Marciano beating Foreman needs to be considerably better than "Foreman never fought Quarry", which is preposterous, even for you.

 

And if your aunt had a **** she'd be your uncle.

He doesn't NEED to win "enough elite fights", whatever that means, to beat Marciano. It is absolutely not a pre-requisite.

It's also untrue. He beat Frazier-Norton-Lyle-Frazier with Ali beating him n the middle. What kind of heavyweight ******* goes unbeaten on that run, I just don't know, but if it had gone Frazier-Marciano-Lyle-Frazier with Ali beating him in the middle, it would be surprising only to you.

 

Foreman has as complete a stylistic advantage as it is possible to imagine, basically. It's not even like Marciano has the speed of a Tyson or the size of a natural heavyweight to help counter Foreman's enormous natural advantages.

I think it wouldn't be right to write off Marciano, i'd pay him that respect, but this is the worst style match up that exists among top ten contenders because they are both definitively belonging to their styles.

 

What's the relevance of that question, given that you favour Marciano?

Nice then that Foreman beat Joe Frazier, Ron Lyle, Michael Moorer and Ken Norton in massive "key fights", good of you to point out that he has real pedigree here.

Except I did make allowances for the exception to the rule, twice, and you have ignored them, twice:

But what you are doing is different. You are trying to pretend that because Foreman didn't fight Quarry or Bonavena, he won't beat Marciano. Like I said, that's stupid. And as I'm (inevitably) repeating myself, let point out for the second time:

Inarguable, pronounced style advantage.
Inarguable, dominant victory over the only fighter of Maricano's class that fought in Marciano's style.
Inarguable, pronounced physical advantages.

There's no reasonable reason to pick Marciano which is why you've been reduced to saying that underdogs sometimes win, which i've already said.

 

I'm not trying to "cover myself", I don't need to. Foreman is the obvious and correct choice. That's why people are almost universally in disagreement and one poster referred to "the strange universe" you inhabit. I mention Marciano's chances only because it's obvious he has one, being an absolutely brilliant fighter.

But one who is at an enormous dis-advantage here, something even the other huge Rocky fans on the board haven't had your terrible trouble admitting.

And I've already told you, that's stupid. If you have the single best example to hand of fighter type A being destroyed by fighter type B, why bleat about differing examples?

This is why i often think you are legitimately a troll. There is NOTHING on Marciano's record to suggest he could cope with Foreman, NOTHING...yes, including Louis who is as absolutely not a slugger, but a counter-punching stalker. But despite this fact, you are picking Marciano, and your logic is that despite having the single best example it is possible to imagine of a fighter his type being dominated by Foreman, and despite that fact that there is NOTHING like this on Marciano's record, Foreman didn't beat Jerry Quarry or Oscar Bonavena. I've said it twice, i'll say it again: that's really, really stupid.

No, that is not my position. I've already explained my position to you, twice, and you're the only regular on this forum who would either a) pretend not to understand both times or b) really not understand both times, i have no idea which. I don't think what you wrote above. I think that a bigger slugger always has a serious style advantage over a smaller swarmer. Nobody in the world that i am aware of disagrees with this apart from you.

Are you saying that you now favour Foreman to win and regard Marciano as an outsider?

It stands up fine. Past-prime Frazier, who still had victories over Jerry Quarry lol, Joe Bugner, Jimmy Ellis and the great performance in Manilla ahead of him. He wasn't at his best, but he wasn't shot, wasn't "one-handed" as you've been erroneously insisting ever since I started schooling you, and is an astonishing gift in terms of understanding how Foreman-Marciano was likely to go.

Taken in tandem with Foreman's huge advantages in size and style, it's pretty definitive.