George Foreman Vs Rocky Maricano

Yeah, sure..... that gameplan worked really well for Frazier, too :yep

 

Exactly, you just cant rule out Marciano here. He has a serious chance. He is awkward to nail and Landed heavy shots on harder men to hit than Foreman. There are no guarantees George lands first and overwhelmes Rocky easily. You cannot dismiss Rocky like that. Volume and power.

Foreman is bigger but easier to hit, is more vulnerable the longer it goes because he had no real stamina first time around. An older ALI Than prime Marciano knocked George out with less power.

George gets hit back for sure. Right hands and left hands. Marciano had enough durability and stamina to take George further than Frazier, he was more awkward to hit. no sitting duck like faded Joe Frazier was either.

Big George has attributes and potential but was not well rounded enough to be a sure thing at his best. He was too reckless for a puncher like Rocky. I don't think George can control the distance as well as he could against Frazier.

 

The Rock makes himself smaller with his bob and crouch… so small that Foreman and all the scientists and saints can't find him. And since we know that Foreman has no guts and can't take it in the slats and never tasted power or skill like the Rock, Marciano KO's him in the 7th. Salamis with capocollo and provolone are served… Gold crufixes hang in chest hair forests… IROC's shred tires.

Rock beats them all. Sorry, that is the way Jesus himself wrote it.

 

And that's the way it comes across here ad nauseum every time his name comes up in a head to head.atsch

 

That underrated Marciano defence has got to the point where it's now overrated. He may not have been the face first punchbag he gets characterised as, but he wasn't Pernell Whitaker either. He was there to be hit and got hit a lot.

If Marciano's strategy involves relying on his elusiveness to survive in the hope that Foreman will collapse with exhaustion in round 8, then I fear it won't end well for the Rock. It would be interesting to see how Rocky's stamina held out after 8 rounds of going toe to toe with a much bigger and stronger opponent who also happened to hit harder than anyone else he faced.

Likewise if he's counting on his durability to hold out until Foreman's collapse, then again I don't fancy the chances of someone who was dropped and hurt and staggered by smaller, less powerful men than Foreman, let alone one who's conceding about 35lbs of muscle in this fight, the equivalent of at least four weight classes.

 

[quote=choklab;16522607]Frazier was still a good fighter against anyone who did not have world class KO power when he fought George but in order to be competative he needed to be on top of his game. He wasn't. As it turned out Joe was ripe for the next good challenger because his punch resistance and range was severely reduced. I would have lost money on Frazier as lot of people did.

Aside from Foreman all Joe's opponents after TFOTC were either world class non punchers or faded former foes. His people knew the first Ali fight limited him against punchers.[/quote]
Frazier only met ONE opponent with world class power.
His people knew he was limited against punchers PERIOD! That's why he didn't meet any aside from Foreman.

 

The 2 Frazier Foreman fights were.
Greb had blinding speed and was perpetually moving in different directions and coming in from crazy angles, Marciano had slow feet and was not hard to tag .Comparing him to Greb is ridiculous.

 

Frazier was in that position when he fought Foreman, what happened there?
"Bummy Davis
Marciano did beat the 6"4 Carmine Vingo and most of Marciano's opponents outweighed him."


Marciano had 6 title challengers 3 of them were lighter, three of them were ex light heavies,and of the others the heaviest was an ex lhvy who was carrying 30lbs of suet around his waist.
A man who had been stopped 6 times previously twice by middleweights and once by a lhvy.
It took Marciano 9 rounds of butting, hitting low, hitting after the bell to stop him.:huh

 

pretty much like foreman frazier.

rocky thrives when absorbing punishment, perhaps he lasts a bit longer but I doubt it.

 

These threads are really just wank fests for Marcaino haters.

Generally if you hate, dislike, and or bothered by Marciano and his status as an all time great heavyweight but don't want to be too obvious about it, you propose a fantasy fight that pits him against Foreman, Liston, Tyson, or Bowe...someone like that.

You pretend to analyze but really just make the same tired blanket statements about "size" and "come forward fighters", you imagine that stocky Italian going down at the hands of a big bad muscle man, rub one out, than gang up on anybody who tries to give Marciano a chance, rub anothe rone out, and sleep easy for a night or two. But when you start waking up in cold sweats with "49-0" in your head again, you log onto ESB and bring up this same damn match up over and over.

I'm onto you sickos.

 

exactly!

 

Lookie here... You pretty much have to take Marciano on face value. He beat everyone he faced (sometimes barely) up to and through the championship level. He must be commended as an all-time great for this achievement. There is no arguing this.

One can question the ability of a similar fighter in today's age of athletic dreadnoughts. There has been no stubby, slow footed, 185 pound power puncher to take over the division in 60 years. I don't think this is a matter of coincidence.

My take is that he rates higher in a Pound for Pound sense than a Heavyweight Head to Head sense. I don't find a lot, if any fighters, who clocked in under 200 that I would pick to defeat him. That is a pretty high accolade.

Now, back to IROC's, gold chains and guidos....

 

If anything that's a compliment to Marciano, the fact that to find someone who can beat him, he has to be thrown in with top fighters against whom he'd be conceding absurd amounts of weight, reach, height etc. Of course there are some on the other extreme who oblige by imagining Rocky just wading through all those guys.

I actually like Marciano, respect him as an all-time great and I think he's very formidable within his own weight range. Just like Sugar Ray Robinson is very formidable within his own range, but it would be silly to match him with Marciano and imagine that Robinson would have a serious chance of winning. Every man has his limitations and Robinson famously gave his manager short shrift when that fight was touted.