AND ROCKY WAS HARD TO HIT?:rofl:rofl:rofl FOREMAN WAS NOT HARD TO HIT BY LONG OR FAST FIGHTER WITH LONG REACH, NOT BY SHORT PUNCHER AND MUCH LESS BY A SHORT CRUISER AND THE MOST SLOW HW CHAMP EVER.
No, I never said he was. Rocky wasn't particularly hard to hit either. That's my point. Two guys, both can punch like mule kicks, both get hit. It could go either way. Wrong. He got hit by the short fighters too.
well, i think that foreman might take the best shot from marciano for sure, and anyway marciano might not catch foreman with a clean shot, too short, too small, too slow, simple. Frazier could not do it so marciano might not.
with few efficiency always. Foreman would push back rocky like a doll, and very hardly rocky might do any effect on foreman. No contest, really i do not know because some people compare rocky with foreman
Frazier hit Foreman with a few clean shots. They didn't have enough power on them though, and Foreman's chin is really good.
The boxing is on styles, honestly i think that rocky would fight much better against ali than foreman did. But foreman kills rocky, simple. Styles make fights
Guys like Charles and Walcott would have been stylistic problems for George if Ali and Jimmy Young and Peralta fights with Foreman told us anything and as far as fighting punchers Ron Lyle (who was better than average but not a killer puncher) had Foreman all but out and the fight could have been stopped in Lyle's favor...Marciano was a puncher and a punch from him was not a fly swat....I am not convinced that Foreman was invincible as you make him....who else did Jimmy Young drop and Ali KO'd Foreman...you are making Foreman sound like he was King Kong, then Jimmy Young was Godzilla
again jimmy young.... Foreman was not foreman mentally when he faced young, he wanted to show to the people that he might go to the distance and he was tired, and depressed. He was down 1 second... It was not even a knock down in my opinion. Ali did try to knock him out early and of course foreman took every shot from ali. He had problems with stamina after of 7 rounds. But ali had the perfect combination with the style, the stamina,the speed and the chin to avoid and to tire foreman . Marciano not , simple. Ron lyle was a hell of puncher , and he was stronger than marciano for sure, he was 6ยด3 and 220 pounds of pure ripped man, very muscular. With long reach, and lyle could fight and he could punch too, he was versatile. Marciano not. Like i said the only man who might give to foreman a fight would be prime charles because he was fast, he had skill, but i think that early or later foreman would need just a single shot. Marciano never faced even a prime charles. about the fight of foreman-lyle foreman took the shots and he was the man who was up in the end, it is the difference between a great fighter and a legend. and everybody know that young did beat ali,norton,shavers and larry holmes never faced young so the argument "jimmy young" is very boring and pure nonsense. i never said that foreman was invincible(nobody is invincible, every fighter could be defeated in "the night"), simply marciano was not even close to be a competent match for foreman.
And if he does that, he may have killed himself in the process! I do not mean that in a nasty way, either. Marciano's defence was his offence! He was not like say, Tyson, who was also short for a HW, who moved his head, had great handspeed, footspeed, etc. I do think Marciano would soak up a lot of George's shots, but the refeee would have to save him at some point! I see an uppercut lifting Marciano off the canvas in a similar fashion to that of Frazier in the first fight with Foreman!
Foreman uses his jab to hold Joe off, to measure him and to set him up ... [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9q7mvc6bsY[/ame] [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2KRcH1N-xY[/ame] Watch the films.
Not sure the point in posting this again. I've already posted footage a page back of Foreman/Frazier I and explained how he used the jab to move him into the uppercut. He would get Frazier bobbing up and down with the jab, and sucker him right into that sweeping uppercut. Again, I have my doubts this would be effective against Marciano as he leaned back and crouched to his right to slip jabs.
The problem I have with peak foreman is not how powerful he was or the talent he had but that he was too green to keep a title long enough in ANY era. His talent hidered his own development, I think the first real prime, seasoned, albeit great fighter would have exposed this. which is why foreman was NOT considered so great first time around. there is a reson why he was 3-2 against the best heavyweights he fought first time around. he was not mature enough to pace himself getting by on power alone agianst build up opponents. You just need more than that to beat live great fighters, even smaller ones.
Very well stated. :good I agree. Joe Louis said, "I was surprised when Ali beat Foreman in Zaire. I didn't think it could happen. But Foreman was young and easily confused."
if he was green is not matter, it would be a factor against a tactical boxer like ali. not against marciano. foreman was "too green" for frazier and chuvalo too(both very solids 214 and 215 pounder, ) , and you saw both fights. marciano weighed 185. you can not advance with a (mini)jeep against a train, simple
Interesting if he was so green that Ali considers it his greatest victory ... in The Greatest he describes in detail how it took everything he had to defeat him ...