George Foreman vs. Sonny Liston prime for prime.

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  1. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What exactly was closed circuit TV? Or rather, what did the basic setup look like? I’ve heard a lot of older guys make reference to it but I can’t conjure a mental picture. Would you view in a pub, or something more like a movie theater? How large was the screen?
     
  2. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Active Member Full Member

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    It basically was the size of an indoor movie screen, and the one in my hometown had all these folding chairs to sit in. In the back were these cables, it was beamed in via satellite, from whatever location the bout was. The first Ali vs Floyd Patterson fight in 1965, was held at a local high school. Ticket price was $10.00, The price for the 1983 encounter between Hagler vs Duran, was $20.00. It was held at our university auditorium. Things are more convenient today.
     
  3. Clean & Crisp

    Clean & Crisp Joff Joff Full Member

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    Holmes? :lol: Do me a favour you novice, Larry didn't even do leapfrogs!

    Also that last bit is pretty racist. :nonono
     
  4. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You've GOT to be kidding.

    Holmes' jab was both faster and had more consistently better timing and accuracy than Liston or Foreman's. It was also almost as strong (watch it against Berbick, going into the middle to late rounds. Not far off. It was also powerful enough to keep Muhammad Ali off, which is something I'm pretty sure never happened before that in Ali's career (and yeah I know Ali wasn't the same Ali who beat Folley at tht time)..

    Holmes kept that title for over seven years mostly due to both the jab and a lion's heart. I'm not sure any other heavyweight accomplished so much on the strength of the jab alone (and yeah, I know Larry had a fine right hand, too, but its effectiveness usually had everything to do with the jabs preceeding it).
     
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  5. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Again it’s not a question of whether his shoulder was injured. His left certainly appeared to be quite usable as he was throwing this punch seconds before he quit. The issue is instead of fighting on he quit. Instead of fighting on HARD to try to win he ran for the exits embracing his desire to quit. Huge deal. If you don’t see it find another sport to follow as your ignorance abounds.

    The FBI suspected a fix and investigated the bout for well over a year but gave it up AS NO EVIDENCE was found that it was fixed. Remember this instead of spouting off lies continually.
     
  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So let me get this straight. We can't believe Foreman when he says Liston had the best jab. We can't believe the 7 doctors who verified Liston's shoulder injury. Yet rather we should believe you. A multi named self promoting lunatic who's been banned on multiple occasions and can't even use the quote function. Got It.
     
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  7. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ooh, you are awful.

    But we do like you.
     
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  8. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think he may have been being ironic, Swag. Look at the comment below the jab where he (apologies, Crisp, if you aren't a 'he') draws the definition between quitting on a stool compared to the floor. Tongue firmly in cheek as he indulges in a bit of Perry/Houdini baiting is how I read it.
     
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  9. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Active Member Full Member

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    Sonny Liston's left jab was pole like according to former opponents, Eddie Machen, and Cleveland Williams. George Foreman had a fine jab too, but in his comeback, he employed it more than he used it in his prime years. In his prime years, he would use it after he had an opponent hurt, an example being the March 26 1974 title bout against Ken Norton. In his fight against Holyfield, he uses it in a pawing manner, to set up his right hand. In his prime years, he usually came out swinging, to overwhelm an opponent, to let him know right away who's in charge.Again, you can only fight the fighters of your era, or what is put in front you. It is impossible to fight opponents from the past or future, Sonny cannot fight George's opponents,nor can George fight Liston's opponents. It does not make sense to go by that premise.
     
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  10. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Foreman. He's more proven. Did a number on better fighters than Liston beat.
     
  11. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Try to understand. I know it’s very tough for you.

    Liston was using his left with no signs of issues seconds before he quit. Nothing was going on in that fight that should have caused the hwt champion of the world to sit on his stool and give up his title. He gave it all up, did not try to find a way to win, did not do all in his power to avoid defeat. It’s the biggest black mark in hwt boxing history. Yes it’s that bad.

    Foreman sparred with Liston just out of the amateur ranks. Man vs boy at that stage. Add to this you can’t really believe anything Foreman says as he contradicts himself continually. Also no one is saying Liston did not have a great jab.

    Foreman’s jab was called the best since Louis early/mid 70’s.
     
  12. kolchak65

    kolchak65 New Member Full Member

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    I agree with Steve that both were overrated, but I think Foreman is the most overrated of the two. I pick Liston.
     
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  13. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah you keep saying that. Have you considered the possibility that he injured it in the 6th round?


    Foreman was less than 5 years away from his peak while Liston was more than 10.
    That may very well be true but he does not contradict himself when it comes to Liston. He always gives the same account of their sparring sessions.
     
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  14. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It does not matter when he injured himself. He was throwing his left fine in round six seconds before he quit. Learn more about boxing history so you can better understand what a grievous black mark quitting in this manner as hwt champion of the world in fact is. He walked away, refused to continue, no desire to fight on, no desire to TRY to find a way to keep his championship. He just quit without a whimper.

    Young men are very impressionable but then again Liston had a excellent jab. No one denies this and neither did Foreman. Liston was just highly predictable and slow.....and he quit on his stool giving up the greatest prize in all of sport. Did not try to find a way to win. Liston was a quitter.
     
  15. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Let me further explain since you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Liston could've injured it in the last round as in the last couple seconds. Or he could've injured it in the beginning and it was being increasingly worn out.

    Liston was predictable and slow? :lol:
    Muhammad Ali said Liston was one of the most scientific boxers of all time. He had an excellent ability to adapt within fights. On the contrary, Foreman NEVER had a plan B when things weren't Going his way. It's the reason he lost to Ali, and Young, and almost Lyle. Liston was was also worlds faster than Foreman. He was no slickster himself but I wouldn't even put him in the same category as Foreman.
    Show me one instance of Liston quitting outside the Ali fights just one.
     
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