George Foreman: Wladimir will not leave much of a legacy in boxing

George Foreman has wins over certified ATG's under his belt.

And there's very little similarity between Mayweather and Wladimir. At all.

 

Mayweather looks flashy while doing it, his opponents can't hit him because he gets out of their way at the last minute making his opponents look stupid. Wladimir in the other hand can't be hit because he is to tall, His opponents look oversized badly.

 

Tyson, Holmes, Liston....probably others

Wlad could have fought and beat Holyfield 5 years ago if he wanted. What would that have proved?

 

How does one become and ATG opponent?; during the Klitschko legacy and run with the titles? If they can never beat the Klitschko's they can never hold a belt, or be rated higher then 3rd. It's kinda an oxymoron. Since no one this era can beat them they'll always be stuck with what most people call bums because those guys never accomplished anything or owned a title. Except for the fact the Klitschko's have beat most the guys they have fought when titles were on the line or owned by the other guy(Chagaev,Ibragimov,Peter,Byrd,Haye,Hide)

 

Wlad has had a better career than George. George has a couple better names on his resume, but he never held a belt for long like Wlad did.

Also, he got schooled by Tommy Morrison.

 

I'm not talking about beating shot fighters 15 years past their prime. And if you consider that to be meaningful, you wouldn't have put Tyson in there.

Tyson didn't regularly take 10-12 rounds to get rid of his bums.

You aren't going to make sense of it. Wlad has been unfortunate in his career that he has never gotten to test his skills out against the best fighters, and the fighters he has fought, he has looked efficient, never amazing.

It will always go against him.

 

I guess Wlad is the first tall fighter. I wish it was that easy. Haye with all his speed looked pretty stupid all night swinging like a mad man and missing. And I assume Foreman had no physical advantages over his opponents either. Kinda like saying take away Foremans power and lets see what he'd have done.

 

Foremans resume has more prestige. Legacy is not about how much money a fighter makes.

anyway, if Holmes has a legacy, than Wlad definitely has one. He's an active ATG.

 

Power is something that's honed through technique and training, height isn't.

But this argument is going nowhere.

Please present an argument for Wlad being a top 10 ATG, those who think he should. I'm a big fan of the guy but I'm not biased. top 20 yes. Top 15 possibly at the end of his career. Top 10, no way.

Points FOR

Dominance of the heavyweight division
Size and technique could in theory give a difficult fight for any champion in history

Points AGAINST

Very weak opposition
Lack of variety in punches
Inability to infight / one-dimensional
Has been to the floor multiple times against very weak opposition, and not at a point when he was shot
Hasn't fought arguably the best prime fighter of his era, his brother

 

Holmes beat Shavers, Norton....

Comparable names that Wlad bested?

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl george would destory wlad hell caveman sam peter makes george look like sugar ray and he had had wlad breakdancing around the ring.wlad koing big george:nut **** sake manny steward has to scream at him to get him to ko eddie chambers

 

getting schooled by morrison as an oap is far better then being splattered by purrity and sanders

 

Let's see the names on Foermans list. All of which he just happened to be lucky enough to have participated in the era. W Norton, W Frazier twice( with the second fight happening when Frazier was already blind in 1 eye), and Quarry with a few more recognizable . Lose to Ali.
Look at a couple of fights before the 1st Frazier fight and the records of the guys he fought.

Terry Sorrell 4-15-0 ------1 fight before
Clarence Boone 3-21-1 ------ 4 fights before
Joe Murphy Goodwin 1-14-1 ------5 fights before
Ollie Wilson 20-40-0 ------7 fights before
Vic Scott 1-2-0 -------9 fights before
All on horrible losing streaks.. Now there are some world beaters.

 

all HW ATGs hit rock bottom at one point of their career, exept for Rocky Marciano. ex Ali was defeated by a LHW with only 6 fights and he's considered by many as the GOAT.

Wlad has been KOd at the beggining of his career, definitely pre-prime, but he has fought and beat WCs since. He's just too good and achieved to much not to consider him as an ATG.

His legacy is longevity, profesionalism, dominance, he also made history being the first pair of brothers to win every belt. He and his brother were also was the first HW champs to have a Phd.

 

Just saying Wlad plays it safe too much, he doesn't show you how much better he is than his opponent, he just seems content with winning regardless of how boring the fight may seem. His opponentes never seemed to get outboxedd they just seem to get beaten up by a much larger man. Why didn't he go after Haye and try to get a KO? If you don't give the fans what they want (entertainment) the fns won't give you what you want (respect,legacy)