George Foreman's ATG Ranking?

His fighting successfully in 2 eras is what elevates him. When young he could steamroll some guys, but was lacking stamina badly. Older he had patience and stamina, but was not quite best (He would not beat Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, at that time)

 

Foreman rated at heavyweight is 10-15 I think. His first career he beat Norton and Frazier but lost to Ali and Young. Second career (which people use to get him higher on the ranking-)he fought a lot of washed up guys, then fought for the title 3 times and won the last one. But Tommy Morrison beat him with a decision. Not exactlly something which gets him going too high in the ATG ranking.

 

I wonder what Foreman's record against rated opposition looks like.

 

Very good by most people's standards:

George stopped a 37-0 reigning champion in Frazier (who had already beaten Ali), and to prove it no fluke stopped Frazier again a few years later.

George stopped a 35-0 reigning champion in Michael Moorer, and also beat Kenny Norton (who beat Ali), Ron Lyle (who beat Bugner, Shavers, Ellis, Bonavena etc), Jimmy Ellis (who beat Chivalo, Quarry, Patterson etc), Bert Cooper, Gerry Cooney...

...just to name a few.

 

That's the thing. That's only a few names. Not very much. Frazier wasn't 37-0 when George beat him. And he never beat Jimmy Ellis. And if Bert Cooper is one of his best wins I think we're in trouble. Gerry Cooney wasn't ranked. Nice try but you've made things worse for Foreman here.

 

I wasn't offering up a proof read biography. Just something I scratched together while the boss thought I was working today.

George was 37-0 when he stopped the 29-0 reigning champion Frazier - the correction to Frazier's fight tally hardly detracts from George's achievement in stopping him. As previously, he repeated the dose on Frazier a few years later.

Jimmy Ellis lost to Foreman in Nevada in December 1991.

Jimmy Ellis also lost by stoppage to Joe Frazier in Melbourne in March 1974.


George Foreman doesn't need me to defend his record. It is well respected by most.

(and thank you for the correction TheOldTimer)

 

What are you talking about Frazier knocked Ellis out.

 

He certainly did. Can't believe I forgot that. It was in my home town atsch

 

twice.

 

thats ok but youre gonna need to correct again he knocked him out in 1970 the first time

 

George sits anywhere between #6 to #8 for me. His destruction of Norton, Frazier, and Lyle in his first career was impressive. His second career saw him become the oldest man to ever capture the heavyweight title. His overall professional record is better than most and he was stopped only once by the greatest heavyweight of all time.

 

I think what elevates him more is that the eras he fought in had an extra era of about 8-9 years in between.

 

Do you have access to Foreman's official win-loss record against rated competition? I would love to know...

 

Dude, you do know that those are two different Jimmy Ellis's...don't you?

 

I think his comeback was crap. Basically a lucky shot on Moorer's soft chin and a robbery win against journeyman Shulz. Then lost a MD vs. Briggs and retires. If you look at it it's not much to write home about, of course the American media made the greatest comeback in boxing" out of it. It was a joke really.