George Groves Observations

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by craney91, Dec 15, 2012.


  1. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    TBH Craney has made a decent thread with valid points, If you don't agree debate them. He's made far worse thread's then this, he knows when he's at wind up and TBF to him this seems a serious thread.
     
  2. craney91

    craney91 Boxing Addict banned

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    I have a laugh, I take the ****. There is a time for that and a time for serious. :good

    I dont purposely come on to troll people, if im "trolling" you can tell, and its pretty f*cking obvious. Just for laughs. Billy Nelson loves it. :lol:

    Why be so miserable like some on here? Especially when people are so easily wound up?

    You take the ****....people hate, you be serious....people hate. :good

    At the end of the day, this is a forum, invisible people over the internet, who you will more than likely never know! Why take everything to heart!?!
     
  3. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    :good Yep agreed, It's a good thread. I think Groves beats Abraham. I think they could seize that fight and win it.

    You could see the frustration in Glen's trainer (very good cornerman) he was seeing the openings and Glen i think saw them but didn't have the ability to pull the trigger or didn't really want to.
     
  4. craney91

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    I agree with his trainer, there were so many holes, but Glen just didnt have it anymore.

    Yes I reckon he beats Abraham, but it depends on a few crucial things though for me.

    1) Where the fight is

    2) Whether George sticks to a strict gameplan over 12 rounds, a mixture of Froch's performance against Abraham, and Haye's against Valuev.

    If he does that, he will outbox and out speed Abraham all night. Abraham only has power, and that only works when you let it. So its all down to George really.

    I can see him winning the fight on points, but I can also see Abraham taking his head of if he forgets the gameplan. He has everything he could need to win the fight. Booth is a great trainer and strategist. He has worked miracles with David Haye in the Heavyweight division, I just dont know if Groves has got that same mentality and willingness though.

    David Haye realized and recognized when he stepped up, and Booth got him fighting a different way. Using speed and fighting on the backfoot. Can George keep to that over 12 rounds against Abraham? :huh

    Johnson offered nothing tonight, surely Abraham will throw more on the front foot?
     
  5. SWAGGER

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    yeh ino what you mean by he wobbles alot from punches u dnt expect to wobble like anderson. degale paul smith. his last fight now johnson. i was there live and you could hear groves punches echoing johnsons gna have a headache tomoz gaurenteed as groves threw volly after wacking volly of shots but trying to take him out 1st round was so dumb i was giggling at ringside but he did kinda hurt him i sensed in round 5 or six i think wen he was landing big shots an the bell went but johnson needs to retire work rates gone an he never came to win.
     
  6. LHL

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    one major thing I noticed was the lack of defence for any sort of right hand to the body from groves. plenty of times you could see it but glen didn't commit to it landed it once or twice but not enough.
     
  7. Primadonna Kool

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    Doesn't look natural..?

    For white boy, he seems to be very very co-ordinated and fluent! allot of body co-ordination. When he throws his combinations he looks natural! Sometimes you can see fighters resetting, like a computer resetting because they are not wired up naturally to throw combinations or punches. These type of fighters constantly reset, and you can almost see their thought processes.

    George Groves motor skills wise is superior to Carl Froch and James Degale in my opinion.

    Although James Degale is very co-ordinated! His punching technique is not 100% correct in my opinion.

    Carl Froch..? Struggles to throw short punches, and accurate combinations. Carl Froch has to reset after afew punches, where as George Groves! I feel if he didn't fatigue! He could just reel off combinations automatic! without resetting or thinking about placement.

    I am very impressed with George Groves.
     
  8. craney91

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    I just find George Groves very "weird", in and out of the ring, but I just dont know what it is, I cant put my finger on it. He just isnt like the rest, and he doesnt react like the rest.

    DeGale is similar as well funnily enough.

    Serious question, are either of them Autistic, does anybody know? :huh

    Its the same with Chisora to, but he says that he has autism, Tyson Fury is quite similar as well. Is there some thing going on to get autistic kids boxing at a young age? Liam Smith was on about autism after his fight on the undercard to, but I think that was raising awareness :good

    As for the Groves wobbles, I cant work it out either, the thing Im leaning to is that Groves suffers from nerves in the ring, he is a bit of a scaredy cat? I know thats fine coming from me, he has more bollocks than most of us to step in the ring. But I just dont know, its like he takes a punch, nothing major at all, barely a touch, he sees the punch, and he reacts like 2 seconds later, delayed reaction, stumbling and heavy on his legs as if he is going down, his legs go funny at the same time he is trying to literally jump out of the way of any more oncoming punches.

    I hate to see it when he does/if he does ever get knocked out.
     
  9. Primadonna Kool

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    :lol:

    David Price against Skeleton, had them reactions.

    George Groves is a tough guy, not really seen him react badly or scared.
     
  10. craney91

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    He looks like David Haye to me. And that style isnt natural to him, he has had to pick that up of David and Booth. Bits and bobs maybe, but everything he does seems like it has come out of the brain of Booth, and not original to Groves.

    This is what I mean, about being spoon fed, just watch his face in the corner between rounds, lots of fighters deeply pay attention to the trainer, I understand that, buts its like he really needs it, between rounds and during a round. He really needs that assurance and direction.

    Just look at how many times he changes during a round, they are literally screaming at him as if he is half asleep. And when they shout stuff, he changes without thinking about whats best.

    Good fighter, but his mind works very robotic, like he needs someone on the other end to operator the computer, just so he works.

    As anybody seen any other fighter so reliant on the trainer throughout a fight? Maybe this is just the new generation? But I rarely see Groves work of his own instinct and do something on his own accord.
     
  11. Primadonna Kool

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    He has copied David Haye's mannerisms, on how he moves and throws punches in the ring, but he has put his own spin on things.

    George Groves is a product of both Adam Booth & David Haye. Booth basically thinks for him, and David Haye has basically given him his confidence and influenced his technique.

    And David Haye has probably influenced some of his social skills aswell.

    When Groves was being bullied by Degale! I felt sorry for him, but you could see he was handling the situation at first like Adam Booth! Just trying to be nonchalant, and then suddenly switching to David Haye's social antics in later interviews.

    You see somebody like David Haye is not easily influenced, he is the influencer.

    George Groves has that impressionable personality, he is very innocent.

    At times he acts like Adam Booth in interviews, and then at times he acts like his hero! David Haye.

    There's a ****ed up interview for Ifilm, involving George Groves! can't find it though.
     
  12. elbrujito

    elbrujito Well-Known Member Full Member

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    whos influenced his tattoos!!!
     
  13. Primadonna Kool

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    Thats Grove's putting his own spin on things.

    He's 40% Booth, 40% Haye, 20% Groves.
     
  14. TIGEREDGE

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    he makes some great points. you havent wasted anything. i agree with you that g.g will be champ one day could/would probably have been a world champ now if that stigletz fight had happened earlier

    but if he steps up to fight a top champ like froch anytime soon he will be found wanting
     
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