Gerald “the Gman” McClellan vs Marvelous Marvin Hagler

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Okay.

    So go and find a thread that is of interest to you where you can have a good debate.
     
  2. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hagler is obsiously the greater boxer, I doubt anyone disputes that. But this is about H2H.

    I love Hagler, he's one of my favorite boxers. But the G Man has a good chance.
    Hagler has the edge in terms of skill, stamina and perhaps even chin.
    But the G-Man has size on his side, speed and power. 20 pounds weight advantage might not seem much, but it matters when the guy who has that is also very skilled.
     
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  3. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    But this is the thing. He doesn't have 20lbs on him. That's not feasible.

    James Toney had a terribly hard time making 168 for Roy Jones Jr. He was a naturally bigger man than McClellan and had an extra 8lbs to play with, needing to make 168 not 160. And he entered the ring at 182lbs. He had rehydrated by 14lbs. And he was terrible as you would expect from someone who had been severely dehydrated the previous morning. And yet, it's being claimed that McClellan lost and regained more than twice that amount and remained devastating. Can you not see where people have grounds to be skeptical?

    Adding over 20lbs in 36 hours will not transform a dehydrated middleweight into a killer cruiserweight which is what is being claimed here. If he adds that weight by drinking he would have to drink a hell of a lot. And it's not going to come from eating; food won't turn into functional muscle in that timeframe.

    I don't know, as I have never had to lose a lot of weight, regain it and then fight a world class middleweight but my guess is that if I had spent the last day and a half eating and drinking 15% of my body weight, I'd be better prepared to have a big sh1te than a big fight.
     
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  4. Bulldog24

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    James Toney physically couldn't eat he was so ill.
     
  5. Johnny_B

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    It seems unlikely he rehydrated 40 pounds, but I wasn't there to be able to say for sure.
    By using the eye test, Gerrard looks like around 180. But who knows, he might be a tad smaller or a tad heavier.
     
  6. Eddie Ezzard

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    As I say Toney rehydrated to 182 from 168 and looked really bad. The theory that McClellan was 20-25lbs bigger than Hagler, thus giving him an unassailable size advantage, relies on him losing and regaining nearly twice the amount of weight that had reduced Toney to what he was that night.

    I'm neither boxer nor medical man but losing that much weight and quickly regaining it ('quickly' as in by the next day and a half) seems to me a recipe for disaster. For McClellan to rehydrate from 160 to over 180, as is routinely being stated here, and yet remain effective enough to beat one of the best middleweights ever requires a leap of faith that I'm not prepared to give to a man who lost to Ralph Ward, Dennis Milton and Nigel Benn, with all due respect to those men.
     
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  7. JohnThomas1

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    Yes none of us are yet here you are.............:sisi1

    Look forward to your next exciting thread.

    You've started around 40 BF24 threads in not much over a year that are ALL about Eubank Sr. Another half a dozen or more about Benn.

    Is there something you want to tell us ;)

    We just aren't that stupid.
     
  8. JohnThomas1

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    Oh my what a worry you are :eek:
     
  9. JohnThomas1

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    There it is. We have a self admitted liar in the camp. Well, hard not to admit it after being caught out so badly and tripping yourself up multiple times.

    Nothing you say from this point forward will be believed or respected. Oh hang on, it never was!

    Credibility zero.

    Amusement value - middling but predictable.
     
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  10. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Camp? Strangely mistaken. I am not in your creep society. I'm above that, young man. You legend of the game you.
     
  11. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    He entered the ring at 186, which is **** all.

    Grow up. Get a life.
     
  12. The Senator

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    And yet, here you are, typing away. Tough to say you are above this board when you are just another poster here like anyone else.
     
  13. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Be real• Full Member

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  14. Bujia

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    Right? Do we need to report this man? He’s clearly having an episode.
     
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  15. Bulldog24

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    Broken cheekbone, broken jaw, broken nose, all ligaments on side of neck torn off, urinating blood for three days and x-ray showed a shadow on the brain.

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    That wasn't human. Even Benn says he slipped into a zone where it wasn't him and he couldn't feel the punches, and his own shots were being let go at the right times with everything behind them without any prior thought.

    Even then, McClellan stayed on a knee. He beat himself in a way by quitting and not going out of this world on his shield (like Ali or Eubank would).


    Benn was Hagler's favourite fighter long before the McClellan fight though.
     
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