Gerald McClelan: What happened

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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  3. Jamal Perkins

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    Your whole life has been one bleed on the brain eradicating what little brain cells existed in the first place.

    Mclellan took a terrible head butt and add to that the rabbit punches it was the benn fight that caused it especially from the 8th on.A terrible tragedy
     
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  4. rski

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    Benn deserves a great amount of credit coming back from basically getting knocked out, but to give Gerald some credit, it was pretty amazing that even though his brain was basically short circuiting from injury he was still fighting and near got Benn out of there again! I am not a fan of what the man was but he was a monster of a fighter. It was only sheer will from Benn that kept him in there but it shows how hard that will is to overcome, I cant imagine many beating Benn that night.
     
  5. Grooveongreg

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    Lots of fighters foul in fights it's only an issue if the outcome is bad.

    Evander holyfield spent his whole career headbutting people to death same with Andre ward. No one's calling them out for blatant fouling as no-one has been seriously harmed (luckily)

    It was just bad luck. Two opposing forces met and the result was bad. It happens in fighting .
     
  6. Vanboxingfan

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    I'm a bit more receptive to it just being a fight if it wasn't sanctioned and their wasn't a ref. What's the point of having a ref if at the end of the day there are essentially no rules?
     
  7. reznick

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    Right, reminds of the Prichard Colon accident.
    Everyone is quick to explain what happened by referring to rabbit punches.
    But since when did a couple of rabbit punches leave you in a vegetative state?

    I think the truth is that the brain is unpredictably fragile.
    In the future they will wonder how people practiced the sport without knowing they would be safe in the end.
    It's a testament to how much people love boxing, and how important the art of fisticuffs is to our species.
     
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  8. Grooveongreg

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    A fighter does what he can to win.

    If you want to see gentlemanly conduct watch amateur boxing. The ref is god in there .

    Pros will do what they can to gain an edge.

    Last fight I watched live my guy lost because if a clear and blatant headbutt that the ref didn't pick up on. I was going bananas. But it's part of the pro game it a vicious sport at times
     
  9. Vanboxingfan

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    Fair enough but like l said if you're not going to enforce rules don't have them. If a ref doesn't see something that's far different then ignoring what he does see. That said l just finished watching this fight for the first time in about 25 years and l don't really see how that kind of damage could have been detected. It just saddens me
    I've watched boxing over 40 years and l've even had to justify why l watch it with certain people. I guess l mostly don't always appreciate that these guys are risking their lives and health for my amusement. And l guess l'm not alway prepared to accept that. But neither am l prepared to accept that ref's can watch a fighter repeatedly throw rabbit punches and not deduct points. Any thrown after the 6th round should have been deducted. Cause Benn threw a couple early on one obvious one in the 4th round and another one in the 6th. The 6th round one should have been a final warning. I think the accidental headbutt caused more damage than it appeared given that McClellan started blinking repeatedly which is something l don't really recall seeing. But at the end of the day it's just a tragic situation and l'm not really in a position to say the rabbit punches were to blame.

    And just to clarify l don't at all blame fighters for trying to win at all costs. My focus is more on the ref's enforcing the rules. On a somewhat unrelated issue l have often read people blaming Lewis for how high his trunks were against Holyfield and my answer had always been if you have a problem with it blame the ref.
     
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  10. Grooveongreg

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    Lets be real the home town ref lets his guy get away with more than he should this is true the world over.

    The reason why this fight has been dissected is because of the magnitude, the outcome and the actual fight itself which was a great one until the injury/ending.

    If he hadn't been injured it would just be another war

    Plenty of guys have died in the ring with normal punches to the head. It's part of fighting and considering how many fights there are it's surprising there's not more
     
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    The ref was terrible, no doubt about it, probably wouldn't have made any difference but that ref was blatantly bad.
     
  12. KuRuPT

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    What's is your point here? We know it's a fight, we know people break rules to win... what we ALSO know is, it's illegal to do so and can be grounds for a DQ correct? We also know getting knocked out of the ring and being out of the ring for as long as Benn was, generally amounts to a loss, again, oddly enough it wasn't this time. Just because a fighter is doing all he can to get away with stuff, and succeeds, doesn't mean we give him credit for that. That's like hearing your 10 year old cheated on a test, but wasn't caught, do you tell him... good job, you need to pass any way you can? Of course not. Which is why it's laughable to me when I see all these people congratulating Benn on his fouling techniques, as if it's impressive somehow that he had to resort to that cause he was getting the sh1t kicked out of him. There's nothing to celebrate there. If somebody wins via cheating, in ANY capacity or medium, there is a reason this is looked down upon in revisionist thinking, because we can see it for ourselves. We don't just look at it and go, oh yeah, I see fouling, but it's a fiiiiiighhhhhtttt!!! This isn't a street fight, there are rules by a governing body with sanctioned rules, rules Benn repeatedly broke over and over. No, I don't give him credit for doing that stuff.
     
  13. Grooveongreg

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    No one's giving him credit are they ? Where did I give him any?

    And as another poster said it's the refs fault not the fighters .

    When millions of bucks are on the line and securing your future fighters will look for any edge no matter what it is.

    Sounds like your very bitter about the outcome of the fight. It's not Benns fault it's the refs if anyone. But more that likely bad luck all round.

    His corner were also shocking that night. Are they to blame?