Gerald McClellan vs Jack Dempsey

Power maybe.

Technical skill no way.

 

Says who? Fireman Flyn? Would Dempsey walk through Louis too whos around the same size?

Anyway McCellan punches were more compact than Dempseys, he used something called a JAB. Dempsey also got caught by counters rushing in. If talentless Firpo floors him with a counter so would McCellan.

 

Technically Dempsey punched WIDE, didn't jab, kept his guard low, rushes in with his guard down, leads with hooks etc etc

Technically McCellan has better movement, tighter guard, superior jab and move boxing (Yes he actually jabs)

Technically Dempsey makes a load of mistakes and is a counter puncher and jabbers wet dream. He would get smashed coming in against McCellan and get outmoved and outjabbed early, plus he'd get tagged by some big shots

Like I say I think Dempsey would win late, hes stronger, better workrate, better stamina and McCellan faded late. McCellan would lead after 3 rounds however. AND a McCellan 1st round KO is as much a possibility and probably more so than a Dempsey 1st round KO.

 

I just realised you were talking about Fitz technical skill. Technically Fitz breaks most rules according to what we know of him.

 

McCellan weighed 180+ on fuight night after rehydrating, his ideal weight was probably 190, Firpo was closer to 30lbs heavier with much more bodyfat, with less dynamic athletic strength or power.

I would propose McCellan actually hits harder than Firpo, at least being on par with him.

 

He rarely fought anyone with enough skill and speed to exploit his low guard

 

Janny,why do you want it both ways,smaller fighters of yesteryear can beat modern bigger fighters but modern smaller fighters cant beat old time fighters who are even slightly bigger?
If you look at your logic through this thread and the dempsey thread you are being very biased to the old timers,AND guilty of double standards....

 

Mcclellan did not hit harder than moore, and certainly did not have a better offense than moore. Moore is the all time knockout king, whats mclellan? moore knocked out great fighters and triple the amount of ranked contenders mcclellan beat. moore is ranked # 4 on all time greatest punchers list by ring magazine.on film, moore hits harder than mclellan.

 

I was talking 1 punch power and for that you need to see the puncher and judge the leverage, speed, weight behind the punch and how devastating it was. As for overal offense, McCellan rips brutal combinations off faster than Moore.

McCellan was far more deadly with 1 shot than Moore and had a better offense. Look at the amount of athleticism, speed, and torque in McCellans biggest shots and compare them to Moore. McCellans a bigger puncher

Moore is overall better than McCellan but when it comes to early round power/offense hes not as able as McCellan. McCellan is 1 of the best of all time at 1 punch power and devastating early round offense, Moore is not

 

What film have you seen of moore? I have many fights of Archie Moore on film from 1947-1955 his best years. What fights have you seen of moore in these years.


Mooores straight right hand on film delivered some devastating one punch knockouts, you probably just havent seen them. I think moores straight right hand was harder. Moore also in all around punching abilities was argueabkly the greatest puncher of all time. HE IS THE KNOCKOUT KING.

 

Archie Moore is the All time Knockout King for a reason. You hadvnt ever seen Archie Moore on film in his best years, nor have you seen some of his top knockouts on film. Mcclellans offensive assault is nothing compared to a prime archie moores.

 

Once again what film have you seen of moore. I suspect you havnt seen some of his devastating knockout wins in the early 1950s.

 

I disagree.

Tommy Gibbons for example was obviously a much better technician than Gerald MCClelan who by nature of his style is not a slickster.