Gerald Mcclellan vs James Toney @ 168....who wins??

Very good post. King targeting Benn nearly paid off very early in the fight too.

Toney is pretty much impossible to knock out, and like you said G-Man would be open for counters with his wide loaded up shots against one of the best counter punchers in the business.

 

King's plan nearly worked to a T. I don't think he could've bet on the combination of a lenient ref and Benn's heart that day. In a tragic case of foreshadowing, Benn was prepared to fight to the death because McClellan literally wanted him dead. G-man had really fallen off the deep end by that point. He'd fired Steward, and he went from being an aggressive, knockout puncher to a monstrous persona that was hell-bent on killing Benn.

A cool operator like an on-game Tony would've dissected a man in that state.

 

Yet no one posts this atsch


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rds2-iNML00


The 2 Legends sparring..

 

Thanks man. Great stuff:good

 

Didn't gman beat rjj in amateurs? We saw what rjj did to Toney. Therefore I don't think you can automatically say gman is getting out boxed by Fat Toney. Mclellan fell in love with his power and went to war with atg punchers like Jackson, Mug abide, Benn when he could easily box and punch. This style would be less effective against the granite chin of Toney, but I still think gman wins this handily.

 

Never knew this existed, thanks. :good

I sense a close fight, both great boxers with great chins, there's not much in it to be honest but I'll go with Toney on points, probably via a split decision.

 

Thanks! I also never knew this existed.

I am a fan of both guys but lean towards Gman; so, I am a bit biased. Did anyone else think that Toney was a little hesitant to stand in the pocket during that session? I thought he was stepping back a bit more than usual. I am a huge believer in Gman's power, even against an iron chin like Toney.

Though, Toney did seem to be coming on at the end.

 

Toney surely makes it to round 6 and beyond, so he'll win.

 

This fight would have been epic. I love these two fighters. Gman was a beast snd toney was so skilled. I think it would go the distance with toney winning a close decision

 

Their sparring is on Youtube at the Kronk gym.

 

Toney wins this , Manny Stewart eluded to the fact that Gman had stamina issues ..If he couldn't get you out there he would gass out in the later rds ..

Also read some of the comments under the you tube video.Interesting stuff ..

 

Good stuff :good

I'm still sticking to my original points. Though an aggressive, exciting fighter, Gerald doesn't really match up well with Toney and overall, is still a bit overrated H2H due to the circumstances I mentioned earlier.

On a slightly off-topic note, I do think McClellan would've been a very dangerous fight for Roy if that fight had ever happened because there's a good chance McClellan's front-running, hyper aggressive style catches Roy early despite Roy being the superior H2H fighter overall.

 

Do you think the fight would have had a different outcome had McClellan stuck with Steward?

 

I think we would have seen a lot of covering up from Roy early in the fight, possibly with few counters on the inside on the ropes, but I see McClellan dominating the first bit of the fight due to Roy being cautious of not getting hit cleanly with the huge shot.

I think as the fight goes on, Roy's will would impose more and more.. If Roy could just get out of the first 4 or 5 rounds, I think he pulls away at the end to a decision, flat out schooling G-Man at times in the later rounds.

 

It would've had the potential to be if McClellan had really embraced what I believe Steward initially envisioned for him, which was a Tommy Hearns-esque boxer-puncher who could stalk and dismantle guys at range. That's kind of been Manny's MO, and Toney wouldn't have the same stylistic advantages as he would against an aggressive, open slugger with questionable conditioning who willingly came right into his domain.

That McClellan never adjusted to it and showed he was more than a one-speed fighter probably wasn't for Manny's lack of trying. I think Manny and King realized that he was really most dangerous, effective, and profitable if you just let him go and do that while matching him with fighters who didn't have the staying power to expose that and wear him down. I think the choice not to match him up with more durable opponents to round his game out was a mistake, but the hype and cash he was bringing in was probably too much to resist

I don't mean to jump to conclusions as it's a shame the Benn tragedy is the only time he'd been beyond 8 rounds (he was 2-1 in fights that went 8 rounds going into it), but I don't think it's unreasonable to say Gerald's conditioning would've been a big question mark, particularly at the pace he liked to set. The downside to matching him with fighters with shaky chins is that Gerald only boxed 84 rounds over 34 fights, which is a crazy low number for a championship caliber fighter. That number also puts his durability into question given that he was showing some troubling after effects from the Jackson fight.