German boxer's and bad decisions going both ways.

AwardedSteak863 · Apr 10, 2020

Anyone else notice how many controversial decisions there have been involving German fighter's? Those bad decisions seem to go both ways for and against depending on location in lot of cases. I'm not saying all were bad decisions but it seems like we have seen some really questionable ones over the years. Also seems like a lot of the German fighter's have that similar upright boxing style with an emphasis on working behind a high guard with mostly straight punches and a lot of movement. It's a style that is not really appreciated by casual fans who mostly KO's or more of a brawling style.

Axel Schulz-- robbed against Foreman in a fight that he should have won the lineal heavyweight championship of he world. Arguably screwed aginst Botha and lost a close decision to Moorer on German soil. The guy could not catch a break.

Felix Sturm-- lost his Middleweight title to a sluggish Golden Boy in a fight that just about everyone thought he won. Retained his title against both Randy Griffin and Fedor Chundov in fights that most observers though he lost.

Henry Maske-- lost a close decision to Virgil Hill. I actually thought Hill won that one but it was close.

Sven Ottke--- was on the good side of a many questionable decisions. Ried, Johnson, Brewer, Mitchell and Lawson. Very good smart fighter that is very polarizing.

Max Schmeling--- a lot of folks thought he won his 2nd fight with Jack Sharkey. Lost a close decision.

Markus Beyer-- I though Eric Lucas clearly beat him. I don't recall seeing the Bika or Green fights but I remember there was controversy.

I'm sure I have left some other fights out.

AwardedSteak863 · Apr 10, 2020

Ra's Al-Ghul said: ↑

They both stopped due to cuts, that it. The difference is against Bika was it before the end of round 4, therefore was it a technical draw (but Beyer won the first 2 rounds), but Green did several not just intentional but macific headbutts, which made Beyer unable to continue; though he had a bad start, was at the end of the first two round knocked down, but he came then better into the fight and won round 4 and 5.

Also Oktay Urkal was robbed against Kostay Tszyu and received in Germany a close (unfair) decision vs. Vivian Harris.
Or Michel Traban lost a tight bout against Jose Antonio Rivera in Germany, where I had him with 1 - 2 points winning.

Or Dariusz Michalczewsky was badly robbed vs. Julio Cesar Gonzalez in his 24. title-defence, to prevent that he breaks Marcianos record (came into the fight with 48 wins and 41 knockouts, 0 defeats or draws).

And Sylvester vs. Geale I had even, also was Sturm vs. Geale close. Most had Sturm winning against Murray, but he got just a draw.
And Rocchigiani was at the bad end of an unfair decision vs. Eubanks (even the British commentator had it just even; I had Rocky with 3 points up).
Or Beyer vs. Sanavia I, everyone was surprised about the decision, even the Italian. It was not a good fight, but clearly won by the champion.
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Good post! I need to rewatch some of those fights. I started this post after watching Shultz vs Foreman earlier today for the first time since I watched 8t live and realize that Shultz fully deserved to have his name listed as a lineal heavyweight champion. We always read about how German fighters are protected in Germany but after what happened to Axel and Felix, can you blame certain guys for not wanting to fight outside of Germany?

salsanchezfan · Apr 10, 2020

It's merely an entire nation's passive-aggressive attempt at revenge for losing horrifically in two world wars.

AwardedSteak863 · Apr 10, 2020

Ra's Al-Ghul said: ↑

Thanks!

What is a Shultz?

Anyway I had Foreman winning it, but it was one of my first fights which I watched (relive the next day) and I can't exactly remember. Just thought that the title-defender landed the harder punches.
But against Botha got he double-cheated; first the decision, second was the "White Buffalo" dopped.

Also the draw of Sylvester vs. Kamarzin could have rather went to th "Hurricane" than the other way.

The worst decision in Germany was in female boxing; particular Ragosina vs. Achjeng (which is possible the most terrible judgement ever, as the "Czarina" didn't win a round, like Foreman vs. Briggs).
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Damn spell check!

Jel · Apr 10, 2020

Hi @Ra's Al-Ghul - I have to say I don't remember there being a hint of controversy over the Tzsyu-Urkal result. Iirc it was a good, competitive fight but with a clear winner in Tzyu. I'll have to rewatch it to score it myself to see though.

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