Gerry C00ney vs Eddie Machen, Zora Folley and Cleveland Williams

He wouldn't beat the Big Cat, no way.

 

He would beat all of them, especially that cannon fodder Williams, you could find his head in the cheap seats, he is the modern day Alex Stewart, impressive KO streak against long shore man, bouncers and tough guys but the moment he stepped up he got beaten like a drum.

 

Anyone who stepped up against ali and liston would get beaten like a drum

Against eddie Machen and Ernie terrell he went 1-1-1. I wouldn't say he did so badly stepping up

****ey certainly did not do well when he stepped up.

 

Gerry did well his prime was just incredibly short due to alcohol, drugs and poor management. His time as an elite fighter ended the night of the Holmes fight.
The Gerry of 80-82 would have a good chance against all three. Gerry gave a very solid fight to a prime ATG in Holmes would those three be able to do the same? I don't see Williams being able to put in that performance. Gerry is very difficult to gauge but I wouldn't rule him out. Don't factor in the Spinks or Foreman version he was washed up.

 

I think he would make quick work of Big Cat Williams, there is not much in Big Cat's record that shows power among the elite fighters and while Kooney could get hurt I dont think Big Cat had the speed to get to him without collecting some of Gerry's ****nal 1st so I think Gerry gets him before the 3rd rd. Foley was another who was stopped by Doug Jones and others so I dont think he would be able to Handle Gerry's early power.

Machen had about the best chance, he was stopped quickly by INGO and it could certainly happen here but Machen also went the distance vs Liston, if it was a 10 rounder he could survive Kooney and last the distance fighting defensively but not sure if he wins that way he would have to take chances

 

****ey did better against Holmes than Folley did against Ali, Machen did against Patterson, and Williams did against Ali. With his size, power, and aggression Id pick the ****ey who fought Holmes to beat all three and wouldnt rule out 3 KOs either.

 

I think ****ey eventually overwhelms Folley with his size and power getting him out of there around the 6th. Against Williams I see the fight ending early I'd favor ****ey to come out on top but Big Cat has a shot to both were very hard punchers and both could be hit. I think Machen is able to take ****ey the distance. I see ****ey winning the decision but no matter what I always see Machen giving him a hard time. Machen would've been a great opponent for ****ey to face while on the come up I think he would've provided a very stern test and I think ****ey had enough to win a 10 or even 12 round decision against him. In fact all three of these guys I think would've been good opponents for ****ey to face before taking on Holmes.

 

Machen did better again Liston than Holmes did against ****ey

Why bring up the mentally unstable machen of 1964?

Folley Williams fought Ali when they were way past his prime


Want me to bring up ****ey vs stinks? That was a pathetic display by ****ey

 

Machen would outpoint ****ey probably. ****ey might be able to match Ingo for power but I don't think he was as a accomplished a finisher and KO artist.

Folley was very erratic and got caught by punchers alot. He was KOed by Jones, backed up and outpointed by Cooper after dominating him in the first few rounds, and most tellingly was dominated and KOed by Lavorante, another tall lanky puncher in the ****ey mode. I could see him losing to ****ey but maybe taking a rematch.

Williams, no idea. I think he was the ****ey of his day. Would be an interesting series. If they were around in the same era, they certainly wouldn't be matched against each other. I say they split knock outs.

 

I agree here....****ey probably beats Williams by early ko...just as long as he doesn't get hit too solidly by the Big Cat...after all, ****ey wouldn't soak it up like Liston...Folley would be too cautious and timid IMO. machen would win it I believe...the version that fought Liston...he had more *****, a better chin and chutzpah than Williams and Folley combined. The ko loss to Ingo was a one time abberation. He outboxes, out roughs and finally stops ****ey in 8......fending off, avoiding and taking well anything ****ey dishes out IMO.