Gerry Cooney vs Ingemar Johannson

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  1. mr. magoo

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    Cooney might knock out Patterson
     
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    Lets start with a single contender curently ranked in the top ten, before we start to ask whether he could beat Patterson or Johansen.
     
  5. SuzieQ49

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    50-50 fight.


    Two huge punchers/big time finishers with weak chins and poor work ethics. Cooney has huge size advantage. Johansson slightly better fundamentals.
     
  6. choklab

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    He did but with cooney we have a small window to go on. He proved he had a lot of qualitys in losing to Holmes -sadly his one real test in his prime. we cannot gauge cooney on the fighter he might have become had he been more active and had better competiton we can only go on what he was - a sensational prospect who bypassed a seasoning process then nosedived after his first loss to an albeit great fighter.

    Clearly for punch alone cooney has a chance here, I just think that ingo's right hand could come over cooneys lead left hook, remember the swede was fast enough to time patterson so cooneys speed wont beat ingo.
     
  7. TheGreatA

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    Holmes did make Cooney hit the canvas early with a right hand:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYafZtYOJnU[/ame]
     
  8. he grant

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    Probably the best answer posted, straight up although I will argue that Cooney had far more talent but then nothing is more common than wasted talent ..
     
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  10. choklab

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    compare that with cooney though. yes he was big but when gerry came on the scene the HW picture was dominated by Holmes. the next best were dokes, weaver and page. cooney did not beat any of them. later he bypassed witherspoon, Bruno, smith, berbick thomas and Tyson to meet micheal spinks but lost anyway. Later stil he bypassed another bunch during the holyfeild era to get beaten by foreman...its not that good.

    when patterson came along archie moore and huricane jackson were seen as the next best after marcinao retired - he knocked both out. floyd could not have done better.

    The best heavyweights during floyds time as champ were ingo, machen and Liston - floyd fought all three, beating two of them.

    As an ex champ the best fighters around that he could of faced were Ali, ellis, quarry, bonavena, chuvalo and frazier. floyd missed out frazier but met the rest and only ali beat him him clearly.

    Altogether as a HW Floyd waas only KOd by Liston, Ali and Ingo....and he beat one of them, and he fought all 3 twice, where is the disgrace in that?

    Apart from joe frazier, Floyd met all the major players in the HW division from 1956 to 1972 and fared well against them.
     
  11. mr. magoo

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    Cooney was also known at times to charge out the gate in the opening bell and hammering his foes to submission early, the way he did against Norton, Lyle, Gregg and a few others.... At 6'7", 225 lbs, with ferocious power and a vicious head and body attack, I don't see the cruiserweight sized Johansson, who's chin was only tested against Patterson, and was KO'd twice by him, lasting..... Ingo would have nothing to stop him with, except maybe a decent right hand, but one punch isn't stopping Cooney. Furthermore, I disagree with the notion that Ingo more skill.... Cooney had a much better jab and good footwork to complement it.. Hell even in the Foreman fight after years of inactivity, he still looked better in the opening moments of that fight than Ingo did beating Patterson.... Cooney took a peak Holmes 13 rounds and arguably won 5 of them...
     
  12. choklab

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    good points, with more seasoning cooney might have been great.

    No doubt if cooney lands first its over, but it is the same the other way around. ingo was the same size as joe louis - he was not a crusier and he won fights giving away 20 odd pounds against men with winning records.

    I like cooney, it is a crime he never got to be a belt holder because he brought far more to the table than 90% of the lost generation. Cooney was a winner with a champions attitude but the fact is, for all his potential and atributes ingo surpasses him in the way of form -and big time performances. I have to go with the pedigree here. Ingo was effective at a better level - and Holmes beats him also.
     
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    Not sure. Cooney took a collosal beating from Holmes before the fight was stopped. It took George Foreman several big shots to finish Cooney and that was after Gerry had been gone from the game for a few years and was no longer prime. Ingo really only got hit by one guy who crack on the world level, and that man stopped him twice inside of 6 rounds.. That man was a great fighter but by no means in Cooney's class in terms of power.

    Irrelevant. Louis was leagues better in the punching department.

    No, but he stood on the border and would have been considered a rather small heavy by 1980's standards at 6'0" tall and with a prime weight of about 198 lbs. The size advantage for Cooney would have been more than marginal.


    This only happened on three occasions and against the following men:

    1. Heinz Neuhaus - Euro Level fighter.. Stood 6'2", weighed 217 lbs, ( still a bit smaller than Cooney ), had only stopped 15 men in 42 wins and was at the end of his career.

    2. Hein Ten Hoff - Euro Level fighter.. Stood 6'3", weighted 223 lbs, ( still smaller than Cooney. ), had lost 3 of his last 6 bouts and at 36 years of age, was in the last fight of his career.

    3. Werner Wiegand - Height unknown, weight was 222.. Had only stopped 19 of his 41 victims in his final career record, and was basically a journeyman level fighter.....

    Of these three men who ( outweighed Johansson by 20 lbs or more ), all of them were either past prime, had no power, were not world class, and or at the end of their careers, and smaller than Cooney.

    The only thing that made Ingo "more effective at a better level", was that he had the luxury of facing Floyd Patterson for the title rather than Larry Holmes.. Asside from that, I see nothing neither on film nor on paper that suggests he should be favored over Cooney.
     
  15. The Mongoose

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    Because wide left bombing Cooney was always open for the right hand. Ingo would find this opening too.