Gerry Cooney vs James " Bonecrusher" Smith

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  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Always kinda wondered about how this one would play out. On the surface, Cooney appears to be a very beatable opponent for Big James. Smith after all was big, strong, durable and hard punching while Gerry had a very shaky chin and limited experience going into the later rounds. The flip side however is that men like Marvis Frazier, Tony Tubbs, David Bey, Adilson Rodriguez, and Jesse ferguson weren't very durable or spectacular either and all were able to extend him the distance with a few of them even beating him. My guess is that Cooney would need to be in boxer mode to win this, by using is underrated jab and reach to try and outpoint James or stop him late. He couldn't take too many of Bonecrusher's bombs, but Smith also proved to be a pretty poor finisher at times. Haven't picked a time frame for which renditions of these guys should be matched together, but let's say the Smith of 1986 vs the Cooney of 1981.
     
  2. Unforgiven

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    In my mind, C00ney could definitely win this on points.
    Smith could definitely win this early KO, late KO or on points.

    So, I'll say Smith.
     
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  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    A reasonable call.
     
  4. lloydturnip

    lloydturnip Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Doubt Cooney could stop smith Bruno couldn't shift him or Tyson for that matter.cooney could out box Bonecrusher with his jab but I think Smith gets to him late and takes him out.very dangerous bloke was Bonecrusher.
     
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  5. joebeadg

    joebeadg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think Cooney would knock him out inside of 3rds. Too fast, hits too hard. I know Tyson didn't hurt him, but I think cooney would hurt him bad.
     
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  6. Dubblechin

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    Cooney wins this easy. Early stoppage.

    Truth is, the "Bonecrusher" nickname has always grabbed people's attention and everyone immediately assumed Smith was a brutal puncher because of it.

    But Smith wasn't some insane bomber. On the contrary, I doubt he hit as hard as someone like Bermane Stiverne does.

    Bonecrusher's KO percentage is really pretty average. He threw everything he had when he'd launch a shot. But he wasn't anything special when it came to power really. And Bonecrusher often got very defensive or froze himself when facing another banger.

    If he chose a nickname like James "Sugar" Smith or James "The Graduate" Smith, and he had the same record he does now, I don't think most people would be talking about his amazing power. (He only knocked out half the guys he fought.)

    Smith was a decent heavyweight who lost to basically everyone (Holmes, Tyson, Ruddock, Tubbs, Page, Spoon, Moorer, Marvis Frazier, Broad, Billups, Butler, Shulz, Nielsen and on and on.)

    Smith would fear Cooney's power. Cooney was bigger. Cooney hit harder. Cooney was a better boxer.

    Cooney in two, maybe three rounds.
     
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  7. Unforgiven

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    Not sure if the previous two posts are even serious.
     
  8. lloydturnip

    lloydturnip Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bonecrusher not much cop ? Are we talking about the same bloke.
     
  9. Dubblechin

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    Michael Dokes had a higher KO percentage than Smith. Hell, Greg Page's KO percentage was much higher than Smith's. Does anyone consider Page a bomber?

    Smith scored a couple of memorable knockouts. Most heavyweights do. But his nickname was so unique at the time and was so catchy that it gave him a KO mystique he simply didn't have.

    If he was Jimmy "Sweetwater" Smith ... and knocked out all the same guys ... nobody would be going on and on about his knockout power. Because he only knocked out half the guys he fought.

    Smith didn't crush anyone's bones. Cooney actually did.
     
  10. Titan1

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    At his best, Smith had very good power, good strength, and a very good chin. James Broad had to to stop Bonecrusher with a body shot. Cooney had that great left hook, underrated jab, and a decent right. Cooney could win this, but in no way, shape, or form is he stopping Smith. Smith, on the other hand, beat some decent fighters, and though it was somewhat dubious, did win the world title. I think Smith shakes off Cooney's bombs early, and stops him late, in like the 8th or 9th round.
     
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  12. Dubblechin

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    James Broad knocked him out. Lionel Butler knocked him out. Razor Ruddock knocked him out. Larry Holmes stopped him twice. Cooney could most definitely stop Smith.
     
  13. lloydturnip

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    Conney could beat Smith maybe KO him but Conney was more fragile mentally and physically .I just think Smith grinds him down and stops him .
     
  14. Titan1

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    Broad did it in his professional debut with a body shot, and may have been lucky that they didn't have a rematch, or he would have been the one stopped. Holmes stopped him on a cut, and Razor was at a time where he was pretty much starting on the decline. Again, Cooney doesn't stop prime Smith.
     
  15. Webbiano

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    It's a shame that I have to resort to a losing performance as a clear reason why Smith probably beats Cooney. His loss to Tyson atleast blusters his survival skills enough, to suggest he should be able to weather any storm Cooney brings, then come on strong late and potentially get a stoppage, or take a very competitive decision.