Gerry Cooney vs Oscar Bonavena

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  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Bonavena was tougher mentally, but did he have the skills and physical tools to beat Gentleman Gerry?
     
  2. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think Bonavena would have thrashed Cooney over the distance, much like he did Karl Mildenberger, that is having enough of his type of moments in decking the less than sturdy-chinned Gerry. I don't think Cooney could have significantly hurt Bonavana, bit I do think that the heavy-handed Ringo would have score several knockdowns, but probably not a knockout, because he was so wild and awkward.
     
  3. ray fredrickson

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    I really dont think comparing Gerry to Karl is a good one. Karl light hitting southpaw more of a boxer. Gerry could hit &hard!! I think Gerrys size,arm span height give Ringo trouble. I see GEntleman in rather easy dec.:hi:
     
  4. TommyV

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    I'd take Bonavena. I think he's more likely to knock Cooney out than vice-versa, this is the guy that went the distance with Frazier twice, aswell as guys like Ron Lyle, Floyd Patterson etc. He's tough, hits hard, good chin despite the knockdowns against Ali and Ellis and a bit awkward, I don't really think Cooney's massive height and reach advantage is going to be a contributing factor.
     
  5. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    After thinking it over I have come to the conclusion that :

    A. Bonavena is a better fighter

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    B. Cooney wins in a head to head match

    Gerry was 6'7", 225 Lbs, while Oscar was 5' 10", 205. That's a huge difference, and its not like Cooney didn't know how to wield his size and power either. He was very dangerous in the early rounds, and while he may not have gone to the latter half of a fight too often in his career, he did take a collosal beating for 13 rounds against a peak Holmes in a very competitive fight. Oscar may give him some trouble, but Cooney ultimately beats him up. Too much size, too much power, too many weopons.

    On the flipside, Bonavena had the better career, and would probably be rated as a better fighter by most people's standards. He gave holy hell to Joe Frazier on two occasions and was stopped only once in 68 fights. He had decent wins over Leotis Martin, Zora Folley, Karl Mildenberger, George Chuvalo, Gregorio Peralta, and Jose Giorgetti.
     
  6. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Frazier's hook was from a lower position than Cooney's.

    Oscar would have to somehow try to get inside.

    Cooney would tag him all the time.

    If Ali could knock Ringo down, Cooney could too.
     
  7. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ali took Oscar into ultra deep waters and drowned him. Ali's power had little to nothing to do with him collapsing from exhaustion when he did.
     
  8. spion

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    I think that Cooney would be digging in with those lethal body hooks as he did with Ron Lyle. Of course Bonavena's hope would be to slip some shots and work to the inside, but Cooney worked well there too. Just don't see Bonavena winning this one. Cooney KO 5.
     
  9. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm pretty sure if Ali hadn't been punching him in the face the way he was Ringo wouldn't have gone down.
     
  10. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I assure you that I wasn't comparing Cooney to Mildenburger, but that Bonavena would have beaten him similarly, in that he would put Gerry on the deck several times en route to a decision.
     
  11. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    If Spinks could deck Cooney, then Bonaven could too. Spinks didn't carry his power from lightheavy to heavy. Cooney didn't have much of a beard, and Oscar would have found that chin even accidently if they fought.
     
  12. leverage

    leverage Active Member Full Member

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    cooney wins by ko, catching bonavena with a full leverage uppercuts and hooks.
     
  13. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My money would be on Oscar. He was a real tough guy to get out of there & Cooney can only fight one way. And that Cooney defense is nothing to write home about either. He leans into punches with zero head movement or upper body movement. I think once the bout gets into the later rounds Bonavena will continue to club him to death and eventually stop him. Oscar was pretty good at closing the gap and Cooney needs lots of room for that left hook & his right hand is not a concern to a Bonavena set of whiskers.
     
  14. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    You act like Spink's waded in and bowled him over.

    Spink's employed great movement and chopped Cooney down systematically with flurries and then getting the hell out of there, something Oscar isn't particularly good at.
     
  15. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Correct,

    and I will also ad to your valid points that in 1987, Gerry Cooney was not exactly the aggressive destroyer who plowed through his opposition 6 to 7 years earlier. He was visibly out of shape for that fight and showed little or no interest in being there.