Gervonta Davis vs Prime Juan Manuel Márquez (LW)

Cool. Now name one other fighter who ko'd the pfp 1 at age 38+ in a weightclass that he supposedly wasn't ready for a few years earlier.

 

Maybe you haven't watched many Davis fights. He models his offense, defense, and counterpunching after Mayweather

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Not the point. It’s a logical leap to say because someone models their defense on Mayweather, they will be as effective defensively as Mayweather and that, somehow, Mayweather beating Marquez means that Davis would be able to do the same. And that’s before we even get into the fact that Mayweather-Marquez was at welterweight.

I mean, Adrien Broner modelled his defense on Mayweather too…

 

Marquez gets dropped and struggles in the early rounds. He regroups to take over & win a clear decision after round 4.

 

He’d fought Pacquaio a bunch of times before and Pacquaio was also from the smaller weights like him too. And, much as I like Marquez, his physique sure looked different in 2012 than 2009. Then he lost to Bradley in 2013.

But to plays devils advocate, it’s pretty obvious a man who’d KO the p4p #1 wouldn’t be in close with a guy who’s scared of Ryan Garcia.

 

Such a shame you couldn’t find an example. Idk what you’re talking about with Garcia bc that fight is getting announced any day now.

 

Davis won with a broken hand, propagandist.

 

In a matchup like this, I have to go for the more proven operator at the highest level - Marquez is the more battle tested and I’m confident he could come through any trouble Davis put him in during the early stages.

I’d like to see Davis against fighters who will really test him - be it Loma, Lopez, Haney… even Garcia. At the moment, there are more questions than answers.

 

Name me a fighter Mayweather beat who typically (not in your lists, but commonly on published/historians lists) ranks top 10 all time in any of the original 8 weight divisions.

For example, SRL beat 3. Duran is always ranked top 10 all time at LW (admittedly SRL beat him at WW and above), Hearns is often ranked top 10 at WW and Hagler always top 10 at MW.

That's 3. 2 in the weight division SRL beat them in. Can you name 1 for Mayweather?

 

Manny Pacquiao. Next question.

 

Which of the original 8 weight divisions does Manny Pacquiao typically rank top 10 all time in, based on his work in that division?

 

lol at you having to change your criteria.

Anyone can put Manny in at 147 or 126, Oscar @147, or Canelo @160 including catchweights and you can’t do a damn thing about it.

 

Gatti won against Ward 3 with a broken hand in the 4th. Davis complained in the 6th about a hurt hand with a bruise, it was never broken. Two different things.
Also in the post conference Davis never said he had a injured hand prior to the fight. Even when he was asked by a reporter he said "forget the hand". It was Calvin ford that tried to clean up his performance by saying he had an injured hand going into the fight but then says Davis injured his hand going into the 6th. It cant be both so that's an obvious lie, Davis Evangelist

 

If you watched the fight objectively, it was obvious when the injury occurred and that it affected Davis’ performance. But he still won.

 

What a shame you couldn't come up with any credible examples.

I just googled "Top 10 Featherweights of all time". The following were the top hits:

Top 12, no Pacquiao - https://www.thefightcity.com/top-12-all-time-greatest-featherweights-boxing-history/

Top 25, no Pacquiao, though JMM is #25 - https://www.*******.com/top-25-featherweights-all-time-top-ten--22383

Top 10, no Pacquiao - https://www.proboxing-fans.com/top-10-best-featherwieghts-of-all-time_051612/

I also often refer to our McGrain's excellent top 50 rankings in the original 8 - his top 10 - https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/featured-b.../32146-top-fifties-50-greatest-featherweights - I'll save you the trouble of reading through 11-50, Pacquiao rightly doesn't feature, though JMM does at #46.

Pacquiao had 4 fights at FW, going 3-0-1. To suggest this would have him top 10 of all time demonstrates an astounding ignorance of boxing history. H2H would at least be arguable, but as you know, top 10 lists are typically based on greatness and achievements at the weight.

Pacquiao does clearly rank far higher at 147lbs, where his record is 13-6, most/arguably all losses coming past prime.

He doesn't have a credible argument for top 10 of all time there, though, via achievements or H2H:

Top 10, no Pacquiao - https://thegruelingtruth.com/boxing/top-10-welterweights-in-boxing-history/

Top 12, no Pacquiao, not even amongst the additional 25 honourable mentions - https://www.thefightcity.com/top-12-best-welterweight-fighters-boxing/

McGrain had him at #22 back in 2016, he may have a little higher now, but definitely not top 10 - https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/featured-b...st-welterweights-of-all-time-part-three-30-21

Canelo top 10 at MW all time based on the few fights he's had there? C'mon, I'm not even going to bother explaining to you why that is insane and nonsense, even if you were talking H2H (again, as you know, typically lists are based on greatness achieved at the weight anyway).

De La Hoya doesn't appear top 10 in any of those rankings either & doesn't have a credible case for anyone conversant with the history of the division. McGrain had him #24, which seems about right to me.