Getting rid of the dreaded catch weight?

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  1. Boxing Prospect

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    Sorry I think I just missed what you were saying. It often seems like people are saying Welterweight is 140-147 when it's not, it's just "up to 147" (as seen when Ismael El Massoudi claimed the WBA interim Welterweight title whilst weighing 137¼lbs, closer to the Lightweight limit than the Light Welterweight limit)
     
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  2. Just Rik

    Just Rik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :good It's all good, sometimes things are hard for me to explain although I can see them clearly!
     
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  3. Farmboxer

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    Get rid of the catch weight, also weigh-in the night of the fight as well as 15 rounds for world championship fights...................
     
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  4. LordSouness

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    What you're explaining is just a mandated catchweight at best and at worst, it's more limiting divisional boxing.

    But, let's also put your theory to the test anyway.

    Let's assume 140 is what you weigh for Welter and 147 for JMW...

    What happens if a fighter weighs 143 on fightnight in a fight scheduled for Welter?

    What happens if a fighter weighs 143 on fightnight in a fight scheduled for JWW?
     
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  5. Just Rik

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    A catch weight is an agreed upon weight by two fighters, it has nothing to do with the actual rules. So no, catch weight it is not. 143 for welter, penalty by either pre agreed upon penalty, commission penalty, or refuse to fight, same as missing weight now. 143 for JWW, nothing, again, same as now, you can come in under if you want. The only thing you are mandated to do is not come in over.
     
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  6. wylan911

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    As long is there is no belt on the line, I don't mind so much catchweight fights. It's when you have fights like Pacquiao-Margarito for the 154 at a catchweight of 150 for a title that neither were in line to fight for that bothers me.
     
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  7. LordSouness

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    Yes, that's why I called it a mandated catchweight.

    So, all you've done is move the weights down a division then? How would that stop fighters cutting weight, exactly?
     
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  8. Just Rik

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    Let me try and explain why this works, it works because of the gaps in the weights that cannot be used by either fighter. Normally, since fighters fights at the limit/high side of a weight class fighter a and b have choice to come in anywhere between 140-147 so long as they don't come in over. And that's where the problems come into play, one fighter will realize that it may behoove him to get a catch weight. But if the low side of a weight class gets mandated, there is no wiggle or playroom, it handicaps both fighters. Even if the small guys preferred weight to come in would've been 144, guess what, too bad, he is still coming in at 140.
     
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  9. LordSouness

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    Only he can just come in at 144 and schedule the fight for the 'new 147', like you just explained - which changed absolutely nothing. All you've done is bump the divisional names down one.
     
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  10. LordSouness

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    Example;

    currently, at Welter, the fighter can come in at anything up to 147 - but mostly 141-147.

    under your plan, at JMW, the fighter can come in at under 147.

    Nothing has been altered apart from the name of the division they're fighting in.
     
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  11. Just Rik

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    lol, for the last time, this is not up for debate. A catch weight is by definition, a weight agreed upon by two fighters, if the weight is mandated by the commission, it is, once again, by definition, not a catch weight. And I've already explained, the weights have not moved at all, only the fighters requirements to comply with the weigh in rules. I've already explained all this, and who is stopping fighters from cutting weight, they will always cut weight. This just gives them no room to play with their weigh in weight, it has nothing to do with their ability to cut walk around weight.
     
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  12. LordSouness

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    A catchweight is simply an imposed weight limit which does not fall in line with the traditional weight classes. Who decidessaid weight limit has nothing to do with whether it is a catchweight or not. A fight with a weight limit of 144 is a catchweight, regardless of who decided upon the limit.
     
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  13. Just Rik

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    No, welter comes in at 140...quit confusing yourself in efforts to make an argument. And if they decided to come in under 14o by their own accord for whatever reason, then that's on them. Just like it is now, they are still declaring to fight at welter, they can't then (just like now) turn around hey, I'm a lightweight, you need to fight me at under 140 weight because of that, that's their own decision to weigh under.
     
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  14. Just Rik

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    If the rules are changed then the weights I'm talking about would be the traditional weight, and therefore, not a catch weight.
     
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  15. Console Command

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    or just don't allow rehydratation instead of this stupid idea. If you fight at 140-147, you stay between that on fight night.
     
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