Getting their bubble burst

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  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was thinking about this while reading about someone who sorta/kinda lost their aura of invincibility and in this sport, this has happened a lot. I'll get the ball rolling by someone who did the bursting quite a bit. Jerry Quarry

    Ron Lyle - 19-0 with 17 KOs when he met Quarry. Everyone in the game was awed by Lyle at this time - myself included. But the counter-punching job that Jerry put on Ron that night exploded the myth on Ron. Still, he was able to regroup and went onto a very successful career.

    Earnie Shavers - 45-2 with 44 KOs. Man, everyone's eyes bugged out at that record. And coming off of a 1 round KO over Jimmy Ellis, we all thought he was for real. And he was, but Jerry popped the bubble when he showed that Earnie could give it but maybe just not take it in the same manner. Like Lyle, regrouped and went on to a very successful career

    Mac Foster - 24-0 with all 24 by KO. Again, Jerry proved he himself could take it, counter-punch and turn up the heat on some of these unproven bangers. Foster never regrouped and went 6-5 his last 11 fights after Quarry.

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    Thad Spencer - although Thad had lost a few fights going into the WBA heavyweight tournament, he was the favorite over Quarry and had actually become the favorite to take the tourney after impressive recent wins over Ernie Terrell and Doug Jones. He was riding a crest when Jerry took him out in the 12th. And Thad never won another fight again.

    Buster Mathis - like Thad, he may have lost that invincibility aura after his demolition at the hands of Frazier, but regrouped and after his one-sided win over George Chuvalo was again looking at new heights when Jerry, boxed, punched and counter-punched him onesidedly - which no one was expecting. This one-sided loss really effected Buster. And once admitted needing therapy over the loss. He simply could not believe he could have lost to him. Only had a couple of more fights before retiring.

    Not going to hog any more space (although I've thought of a good few more - non-Quarry fights at that). Who do you have that just had their aura burst around them.
     
  2. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I miss Mike Casey. His article on Quarry was a gem.
     
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  3. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not to just stay heavyweight-centric, here is another good example

    Bobby Chacon - like Ron Lyle, had a record of 19-0 with 17 KOs. He took the west coast by storm and was the favorite to take out the veteran Ruben Olivares. But Ruben had a lot left in the tank and removed the aura from Bobby after 8 rounds. Bobby did regroup, however, and as we all know, went on to have a phenomenal career. Incidentally, check out the knockdown at 33:14 of this vid. That is the best overhand right I've ever seen.

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  4. AntonioMartin1

    AntonioMartin1 Jeanette Full Member

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    Marvelous Marvin Hagler did this a lot.

    he busted the bubble for Fulgencio Obelmejias and John Mugabi and to a lesser extent, Thomas Hearns who thought he had a chance.
     
  5. Terror

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    Paulie Malignaggi played the role he was supposed to (Cotto, Hatton, Khan, Porter, Garcia) but also putting in a dud against him seemed to be a career killer.

    Bubbles burst:

    Senchenko (32-0) homecoming in Ukraine with a stoppage win, truly shocking to me at the time. Senchenko came back to stop a truly shot Hatton after and that was mostly it for the wins. Didn't see Paulie beating, much less stopping an undefeated prospect in their home country.

    Lost a controversial close fight to Juan Diaz in Texas, and had a great in-ring post fight interview. Won the rematch and that was pretty much it for Juan at the top level. Really killed the remaining hype on Diaz.

    Lost a close fight to Broner and basically signaled the beginning of the end for Broner as a top notch competitor. I don't think Broner won another big fight. A lot of people had Malignaggi outworking AB for the win (not me). The Maidana fight right after was the last time I saw AB near his true self.

    Beat Judah in the "Battle for Brooklyn" grudge match, both were faded.

    The Cano fight was a bit of an upset, too, I thought.

    Bernard Hopkins took all the shine off of Pavlik, Tito and even DLH when he crushed them. Tarver and Pascal both felt done-for after Hopkins took them to school.
     
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  6. clum

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    Marlon Starling did this to a few guys.

    Jose "The Threat" Baret (great nickname) was 16-0 with 15 KO when he fought Starling. He scored a dubious knockdown in the first, but all things considered he wasn't really competitive and got stopped in the fourth round. He went 1-3 afterwards to finish his career 17-4.

    Mark Breland was an Olympic gold medalist with a claimed record of 110-1 in the amateurs, and he picked up a world title, but his first big test was his defense against Starling. Despite doing a pretty good job of piercing Starling's usually impenetrable guard, Breland looked tired and kind of frail at points throughout that fight, getting thrown around and sometimes just sagging to the canvas for no clear reason. Starling knocked him out in the eleventh. Breland had reasonable success after that, even winning another championship, but no one seemed to think of him as a potential all-time great after that, and the chin that Starling exposed haunted him until the end of his career.

    Lloyd Honeyghan had only one loss, a chintzy technical decision that he quickly avenged, when he defended his world title against Starling as a clear favorite. He was never in the fight, got stopped in the ninth, and was never a world-class boxer again.
     
  7. Saintpat

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    Speaking of the Ragamuffin Man, Honeyghan burst Donald Curry’s bubble in a big way. In his case, I think Donald was never the same and some of that was opponents seeing his vulnerabilities.

    I’ll add one of my favorite fighters ever, James Scott. The Rahway NJ prisoner lured top contender Eddie Mustafa Muhammad (Gregory at the time) behind bars and punched his lungs out with a withering body assault. He did the same to Yaqui Lopez.
     
  8. FThabxinfan

    FThabxinfan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fighting Harada popped Jofre's the invincible aura, literally giving him his only two losses.
    Both Leonard and Duran popped each other's aura with their first and second fights.
     
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  9. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    Holmes popped Cooney's bubble
    Mercer popped Morrison's bubble
    Thompson burst Haye's bubble
     
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  10. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    Emmanuel Stewart said Toney was never convincingly beaten (agreed) but his stock went all over the place… he was running everybody over then Tiberi happened? but… he was busy, burnt out… then RJJ happened…? Right the weight caught up finally - then Griffin? Okay maybe he’s not Ezzard Charles 2? Wait… who the hell is Drake Thadzi? All those fights have puzzling elements to them whilst he never stopped being an obvious ATG he definitely became a “day at the office” guy rather then “the man” the way he was at the lower weights, I don’t think he was “The man” again till 190lbs right? Then… I don’t think he took out all the notable challengers to rule 190lbs… I think Jirov was the defacto champ at the time right?
     
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  11. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    Jones beat him decisively. Sam Peter in the 2nd fight beat him decisively. Some feel that Tiberi beat him decisively, but was robbed.
     
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  12. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    Yes Samuel Peter beat him as an old obese man in a rematch… Jones beat Toney because Toney was a fool not because he was better… Tibs also got him at the end of a monthly to bi monthly stretch of killers like Johnson, Nunn, McCallum and Sosa context matters to the statement - I think Manny was getting at that the best version of Toney never showed up to get beaten, he got beat and it was always a head scratcher or circumstance.
     
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  13. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jones was flat out better than Toney. He schooled him and basically dominated his divisions for nigh on a decade afterwards before the decline. Toney won some, lost a few and never was the man at a single division afterwards despite some good performances.
     
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  14. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Shawn O'Sullivan - with an Olympic silver medal around his neck, this good-looking kid shot to 11-0 over clubfighters and then made the gargantuan leap by taking on 22-1 future welterweight champ Simon Brown. Brown duly obliterated the hapless Shawn in 3 rounds which exposed every flaw. Shawn won a few more over journeymen, but every time he stepped up in competition he got thumped.
     
  15. Jakub79

    Jakub79 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    paradoxically, Toney was obese in the first equal fight, in the second one he looked much better physically and... he clearly lost to Peter