GGG and Canelo at Heavyweight?

And I'm sure they sat ringside while GGG beat Canelo the first two bouts as well.

 

Let’s add that “Big” Toney though he was a real fighter and he’d fight anyone from fly to Yo Mama weight he was never really a 160lber GGG is 170lbs on fight night and Nelo has become so lumbering with all this extra weight… JT was a short 190lber in a death roll with the scales… Jones comparatively was a roided up 160lber though, look at his tiny head and frame lol how he fought reflected that against Ruiz… Toney had a once in a lifetime chin and a style of defence made for smacking up big dummy HW’s and when I watched him there before the wheels fell off I was reminded of Sanchez in how when they’d turn the heat up and get down and fight the worse it got for them he actually wanted a fight with Riddick Bowe and I think he saw someone who’d try to out dog him and I don’t think I ever saw anyone do that with JT, Bowe would I think, he’d likely stop him because I don’t think it’s in Toney’s nature to settle and survive but stranger things have happened maybe Miller saw something?… Rahman’s team was begging him to stay off the ropes and in the early goings of that right James was styling on him bad but when someone just used there range and pecked / got less combative they’d defang him. Canelo and GGG didn’t quite have any of either of there attributes, though I think Nelo (not GGG…) had the chin and instincts to survive, how he fights behind his gloves “turtling” looking for the 3rd-4th punch @greynotsoold once said you lure cattle over by laying down in a field and that’s what happened with JT… HW’s will see a stout little Canelo behind his gloves and bite - would he be successful at HW? Maybe in the 1930s-1970 if he gets the Bonavena, Cobb, Chuvalo, Layne etc types.

 

0-1-1 is a weird pair of wins to be sure. That's why he's sat in the corner while the big boys beat the ginger bully.

 

It's a weird result for a couple of wins.

 

Whatever they are, they're worth less than Bivol & Mayweather's.

 

Crawford hasn't done anything yet. GGG should be right in the middle of the mount Rushmore of Canelo victors! Golovkin did it twice and at Canelo's best weight, during Canelo's prime and after GGG'S.

 

To some degree, robberies take away the value of wins. Kovalev beat Ward in the first fight as well.

 

Canelo is 5'7. He could never bulk up to 190-200 lbs without slowing down so much he would be a sitting duck.

RJJ had more natural speed and power than Canelo. Especially power. RJJ was ko'ing 175 lbers for a long time. Canelo does not hit as hard as RJJ.

Dunno about GGG. If GGG had challenged himself, even vs light-heavyweights, i guesss we could have figured out if he could beat Ruiz. But when the dude never even beat a decent 175 lber, we can't give him the benefit of the doubt vs a heavyweight.

 

Wasn’t Daniel Jacob’s 180lbs-ish for GGG? not saying that’s anything but he did fight a guy who’d be a big LHW in other eras, just lots of weight cutting mumbo jumbo these days, weight classes basically don’t exist.

 

How about 5ft 9ins Charley Burley beating 6ft 4ins Jay Turner?

Turner had a winning record and was HW champion of Texas, having gone 10 rounds with Billy Conn, he could handle himself, though admittedly he wasn't as good as John Ruiz. However, consider that:

1. Burley wasn't 193lbs like RJJ or over 200lbs like Toney, but he was 150lbs vs the 220lbs Turner; and

2. Burley won by stoppage. Turner didn't come back out for the 7th round, such was Charley's dominance and the extent of the beating he administered on Turner.

 

how about any good boxer beating some idiot who weighed in at hw? we know the result, the actual boxer wins.

burley wasn't a hw, greb wasn't a hw, langford wasn't a hw, calderon wasn't a hw, ezzard charles wasn't a hw. i love charles but he wasn't a hw ffs. he beat people his own size and there were no hw's.

forget your worthless old results. they don't matter.

 

It would be far more common than you think if they had the old weight divisions

 

Lower weight guys could succeed at HW but not with the consistancy which you need in modern boxing.

I don't really see Canelo and GGG as the lower weight guys I'd put up at HW to demonstrate this principle.

 

The issue is not whether the small guy can win its whether they can go undefeated or go on long streak. Back then this wasn't needed a Chisorian record was acceptable. Today you really can't have a bunch of losses.

 

They need to put more MW's up at HW to see what they can do because it's interesting.
At a certain point people can punch hard enough to concuss HW's so you would expect that MW's could do better than expected up there against the lesser HW's and who knows what they could do on a good night against the good ones.

There's a story of Saunders beating up Tom Little in the trailer park. The point of that example is just that the skill difference overcame the size difference pretty easily. The question becomes how good does the HW have to be before a MW like Saunders can no longer win?

Obviously these guys are in the divisions that give them the best chance of winning, not because they can't beat bigger fighters.

Plenty of top MW's could probably be like lower HW's who could pull an upset but would lose a lot. Of course when you add the roids it changes things. Tyson and RJJ and Byrd and Evan Fields and so on, these characters were enhanced for HW so it's hard to know what they do natural. Also Ruiz Jr was probably roiding heavily under all that blubber. He had suspicious stamina for an obese man, just like Miller.