GGG-Canelo media scorecards & CompuBox

you're wrong. By saying that they didn't downright rob him with the loss, he is inferring that they robbed him to a lesser extent, with the draw. Therefore he ia definitely saying its a robbery.

 

Really? Are you that desperate to prove I'm wrong lol. Trout saying that they didn't downright rob him doesn't translate to "they robbed him" or "it's a robbery". It suggests that he thought G won, but not that he was robbed downright or otherwise.

 

Jeff Mayweather was interviewed and asked about the fight and this is what he had to say :

“I watched the fight and the fight that I watched, Canelo won easy to me. And the people that was sitting with me actually was Triple G fans and they seen the exact same thing I did.”

“I’m gonna be honest, I thought I seen Canelo winning by at least 3 rounds easy.”

 

GGG won a close one on my card. People forget GGG was SUPPOSED to blow out Canelo. The bad score helped GGG more and detracted from Canelo's effort.

 

If retreating from a jab wins you rounds now, probably time to rescore Klitschko vs Sultan & Haye.

Im starting to think Machen beat Liston too, this changes everything.

 

So essentially mostly had GGG winning easy, some close, handful draws, couple loner cards for Scamnelo.

The people have spoken.

 

Wrong. The "people" are hardly a hand selected group of a hundred or so media members and fighters. There's a healthy split between the "people" meaning non-elite fans.

I've, for example, when scrolling through youtube comment sections, found more "people" saying they had Canelo winning than they had G winning. A lot of G fans try to act like the hundred or so media members and fighters polls speak for "the whole world". A lot of G fans try to act like the polls or the amount of people on here represent "the whole world". What you are going by as far as who "people" thought won is like 0.00000001% of the "people" of the world. Depending on where you look, you'll find a majority of G or a majority for Canelo. It's highly subjective, and no amount of handpicked people proves that somebody won or that's a representation of all the "people" who watched the fight.

 

Certainly a vast majority have Golovkin 115-113.

 

That was my score but it could have easily been a draw. The outcome was appropriate IMO, the only issue was Byrd's card.

 

They've polled this fight enough to gauge the overall consensus amongst the viewership that saw the fight. It's been consistent in the overall percentage having GGG winning the fight clearly by at the very least 90%. The remaining 10% is almost irrelevant but the science behind polling is irrefutable. There's no need to touch every single person who watched the fight to get their take nor would it be possible.

There were literally millions of people that watched that fight in person, live on TV or when it was replayed and with all those who weighed in through interviews or through polls there's really no debate as to who the clear winner was that night. The recorded draw is seen as a gift for Alvarez which it is....just as the draw Holyfield received in his fight with Lennox was a gift. No one really gave Evander any credit for that draw nor does anyone really give Canelo credit for the draw he was gifted against Golovkin.

If what you say is true and the YouTube comments favored Canelo winning then the question becomes what channel on YouTube were you watching? Chances are it was a pro Alvarez channel where most of the people commenting were partial and biased. Or....the video was an edited version of the fight that highlighted the effective offense of Alvarez giving the impression it was a one sided fight and the posts reflected what they saw.

I find it hard to believe that somehow only GGG fans took part in these polls which were available to the masses online on many different outlets. Even the polls from Mexican sources through websites had GGG winning by a landslide. I doubt those were all GGG fans.

 

It's obviously very debatable who won. Out of the millions of people who watched that fight, we're only hearing from about 0.0001% of that, and those people weighing in are highly suceptible to herd mentality and confirmation bias, many of which who went into the fight with a bone to pick against Canelo for what they believe was Canelo receiving favorable judging in his fights vs Lara, Trout and Mayweather. On top of that, you had G throwing more punches, and coming forward more, and as we all know many casuals typically (lazily) score rounds to the come forward fighter. Then we have the Byrd card which caused many people to say G won even more than they otherwise would have, and given all that it's no surprise that the majority polled or asked had G winning.

Comparing this to the Lewis Holyfield draw is laughable : to illustrate why, I challenge you to find a single person who had Evander winning that fight or even justifying a draw. I'll be waiting for a long time. There's a good amount of people who confidently thought that Canelo beat Triple G on clean effective punching, and some people like Jeff Mayweather who had Canelo winning "easy". Most of the people who had G winning didn't have him winning easy, but had him winning pretty much a close fight because he was coming forward and throwing more punches.

So there's simply no comparison between the Holyfield and Lewis draw where nobody as far as I know has ever argued for Holyfield winning where as you have a good amount of people thinking Canelo beat Triple G. To continue to make this comparison just makes your stance look more ridiculous imho.

Nope, just take the Jeff Mayweather interview on youtube as an example. Go down to the comment section and observe how many youtubers commented had Canelo winning. According to you, this isn't possible, and before you start saying that the Mayweather boxing channel is a pro-Canelo channel, as far as I can tell, the majority of people interviewed at the Mayweather Boxing Club seemed to have the fight for G. I've seen countless other netural youtube channel's comment sections where there's a healthy split between those that thought Canelo won and those that thought G won. Just goes to show how how many random people out there not involved in your polling thought Canelo won.

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"on many different outlets"? You're just saying that, but please share with us how many different outlets (and the specific outlets) you are referring to.

All I'm saying is that out of the millions of people who watched the fight and have an opinion on who won, we are only hearing from a hundred or so handpicked people. Many of these people, including folks like yourself, are G fanboys or are folks who were led to believe that Canelo somehow had favorable judging (cemented in their mind by the Byrd card) and are then more inclinded to say G won for those reasons.

Really the main issue I have with what you're saying is the insinuation that "there's no debate as to who the clear winner was", which is a ridiculous comment considering how close the fight was and how it played out, with Canelo starting so well in rounds 1-5 and how he closed the fight so well in rounds 9-12.

It's disingenuous for you to be acting like this was a clear G win in a fight where he was hit cleanly more and harder than he's ever been hit in any fight, and taken into deep waters by Canelo like he never has before in his career.

You know as well as I do that this was a very close fight that could be argued for either fighter winning and you trying to play it off like it's not debatable as to who won is absurd. Comparing this to the Holyfield Lewis draw is laughable as not a single person as far as I know had Holyfield winning whereas plenty of people have Canelo winning. Further, even those that thought G won, most as far as I can tell had it 7-5 or are OK with the draw and admitted that it was a very close fight.