GGG-Canelo media scorecards & CompuBox

Are u a native english speaker?

It doesn't make a difference if you rob a candy bar or a bank office, it's a robbery. Trout is saying Golovkin was robbed.

 

Canelo team is just doing damage control with these trolls. This taken straight from Putin playbook. All the polls that I have seen have been unanimous and clear - 90-95% have Golovkin winning. It can't be more clear than that. There is a good chance that these trolls are not just suppid fan boys. Their agenda and mission are given by team GBP, set by commercial purposes.

 

When people start fabricating their own reality, it is a sign of desperation

 

Trout said : "But they didn’t downright rob Golovkin with the loss, which I guess he should be thankful for in this boxing game."

Notice the word "didn't" and "rob" in the same sentence. He stated pretty clearly that he wasn't robbed due to G not losing. In no way shape or form does this translate to Trout thinking G was robbed. Please get a grasp on the english language.

 

And I have explained that the polls that you have seen account for about 0.00001% of the millions of people who watched the fight. It can be more clear than that, because of those people polled, the vast majority of the people in your pollls that had it for G had it something like 7-5 or extremely close, like one swing round away from a draw. (which couldn't be any more of an indicator that it wasn't a clear G victory)

If it was a clear G victory, then we wouldn't have as many people thinking it was a draw, you wouldn't have people like Jeff Mayweather coming out and saying he had it for Canelo by at least 3 rounds, you wouldn't have folks like Sergio Mora coming out and saying Canelo won, etc.

The 90-95% number you are citing is a completely made up number, an estimate of a hundred or so hand picked media members / fighters where you are combining the people who had it for G plus the people who had it a draw. You're simply delusional if you think that this split represents the masses of people, the millions of people, who watched the fight.

Besides, it's not like we haven't seen this type of thing before. There always seems to be outrage whenever Canelo is in with a top fighter and it goes the distance. We've seen it with Trout, Lara and Mayweather. This is nothing new, every time Canelo goes the distance there always seems to be outrage over how well Canelo did the on cards.

Even vs Amir Khan, there was outrage in how many rounds Canelo won in the first 5 rounds, the fact that Khan didn't win every single round on every single card in the first 5 was seen as a huge scandal. So this type of a thing is nothing new nor is it surprising that so many people are quick to say G won.

I just think it comes down to the vast majority of boxing fans not appreciating what Canelo does in the ring. Or not wanting to give Canelo the credit for it, one or the other. As a boxing fan, you don't need to cite polls that had more people thinking G won to prove that your fighter won a fight. On the contrary, you need to watch the fight, go through the rounds, discuss what happened in the rounds, etc. That's what matters, not just going by a poll of a hundred or so casuals who simply scored the fight because they saw G coming forward more and throwing more punches. That's an incredibly lazy and ridiculous way to argue that a fighter won a fight.

Canelo won the fight (in my opinion) because he landed the harder, cleaner, more impactful more effective punches. Canelo won the fight (in my opinion) because he displayed better defense, he made G miss more than G made him miss, he had more upper movement. Canelo won the fight (in my opinion) because he landed far more body punches than G landed. It's really as simple as that. Now, that said, you're well within your right to argue or believe that G won. It's a harder argument to make which is why you are going the route of "polls" (or other people's opinions) as opposed to "what happened in the fight".

 

Reality = Canelo landed more body punches.
Reality = Canelo landed more clean, hard, effective, impactful punches than G did.
Reality = Canelo made G miss more than G made Canelo miss.

That's not a fabrication of reality, that's the real reality of what happened on September 16th.

 

LOL, Shadow is a machine, I'll give him that. Canelo ought to send him money.

 

LOL what I'm a machine? Thanks I guess, but really I'm just a boxing fan who's telling it like it is. Can I ask you if there is anything I said in post #276 that's inaccurate?

 

I'm not sure about the 'most hard impactful punches' line. I'd have to go through the fight and specifically look for the hardest punches each round. Certainly Canelo landed the best punches in SOME rounds.

 

That's silly. Based on your logic any fight that goes the distance is debatable. Whenever there's a terrible decision and a controversial outcome the public uses polls to gain an accurate consensus of what the masses saw vs what the recorded decision was. Like I said before, polling is a scientific approach to revealing the truth. The premise behind polling is to get an accurate depiction of the overall opinion of the public without having to touch every one of the millions of people who saw the fight. That's impossible and unnecessary. It's illogical to dismiss the overwhelming consensus.

The herd mentality is relegated to biased and those partial to one particular agenda, like fans of one fighter who won't accept reality. That's why we see such a minuscule percentage proving the "herd mentality" exists. They follow their hearts, not reality. The big difference between the GGG vs Alvarez fight and the Alvarez fights between Trout and Lara was there was a much more balanced public opinion as to who won. It was split in the polls and those weighing in on the outcomes of those fights. 60/40....50/50...those percentages are a far cry from 90/10. 60/40 is indicative of a close fight that could have gone either way...90/10 screams robbery.

In the LL vs Holyfield 1 fight, there were some who actually gave it to Holyfield. Surprisingly, but true. Just as surprising to see cards that favored Alvarez over GGG. Jean Williams card was 115-113 for Evander. Larry O'Connell card was a draw. Some saw it as "close" which is laughable. Just as laughable as those who thought GGG vs Alvarez was "close". Here are fans who watched the LL vs Holyfield fight and his response.

"It was a close fight, with Holyfield the agressor but Lewis controlled the fight and did enough to win."
Mark Bowman

"I don't think Lewis was robbed; he didn't win clearly enough, and his waist-guard was far too high, yet Lewis' trainer complained about Holyfield's! Lewis got what he deserved."
Mairi Strachan

"This really is just carping from Lewis. The judges don't sit together or compare notes, they just did their job. Lewis never hurt Holyfield, he just jabbed away and didn't come up with anything else. At the end of the day you have to abide by the judges decision. If you don't like it then get out of the game."
Tom Glenn

Many on press row favored Holyfield in the scoring. Here are some of the conflicting cards from the press row. Giampa 116-112 and Graham 117-111 for Lewis, Roth had it 115-113 and the Newsday card had it 115-114 for Holyfield.

Very few had it for Evander but that was expected....just like the very few cards that had Alvarez beating Golovkin.

10% out off 100% isn't what anyone would call "a good amount". 60% is a "good amount" of people....even 30% could marginally be considered a "good amount"...but 10% or even less...5% who felt Alvarez won is not a "good amount".

You can find the polls supporting the 90/10 percentages on *******, ESPN, ******, Ringnews, rboxing, thebiggestboards/boxing, max boxing, saddoboxing, boxrec, sportschatter, koboxing etc...there are also Mexican boxing message boards that had polls with any overwhelming consensus having GGG winning clearly against Alvarez.


Jeff Mayweather and Mayweather fans in general were pro Alvarez. Before the fight, they were all calling for Canelo to beat GGG easily and some were even saying Alvarez would kick his ass or knock him out. So you talk about "herd mentality"....that segment of fans most likely are that 5% who called the fight for Alvarez.

You are calling the kettle black by throwing out the fanboy label. It's a sign of desperation and deflection. I'm a fan of boxing and I like Alvarez just as much of not more than GGG. I thought GGG lost to Jacobs....however I felt Alvarez beat Lara and Trout, although they were both very close....I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you thought Alvarez beat Trout and Lara clearly? And you probably thought Jacobs beat GGG clearly?

I have always said the GGG vs Alvarez fight was competitive...not close. There's a difference. 115-113 is a clear victory within the context that it could have easily have been 116-112 with 90% overall consensus supporting the later.

 

Lol... I agree with you bro. There's an obvious bias based on the arguments from the Nelo fans who refuse to be honest about the outcome. I'm a fan of Alvarez myself but not a fanatic or a fanboy. He lost....nothing wrong with that. He gave a good effort and made it competitive. Alvarez wasn't blown out or completely dominated. He had his moments....it's just those moments were no enough to get the nod.

 

Need I remind you that the outcome was a Split Draw. This is too funny. It's you that simply refuse to be honest about the outcome. Again, the outcome was a draw. A DRAW. OK That was the outcome.

You're saying Canelo "lost", hence it is very clearly you who are refusing to be honest about the outcome. I, unlike you, accept the outcome that it was a draw. I'm demonstrating that I'm being much more unbiased than you. Admitting that it was a close fight and could be argued either way. You, on the other hand, say those who thought it was close is "laughable". Listen to yourself, you're still in complete denial that the fight was declared a draw. You my friend continue to refuse to be honest about the outcome! Not me! lmao

 

You are struggling man...GGG may have thrown 5 body punches the entire night yet you highlight Alvarez landing more. Lol. Yet you fail to present the whole picture in who landed more punches overall.

You also highlight GGG missing more throughout the fight without providing context in the fact that Golovkin was by far the more active boxer who threw 200 more punches over 12 rounds.

Then you say Alvarez landed more clean punches....that's a complete fallacy. Alvarez landed more flashy punches that looked great....but you could count them on one hand. Nelo had some moments with some great punches that caught the attention of the crowd but it was no where near enough to give him credit in winning the fight.

 

Relax. No need to waste you time as I don't need a reminder of the recorded draw. Just like I didn't need a refresher of the recorded draw in the LL vs Holyfield fight. Controversial decisions usually stick out when they are on this level.

What's recorded on paper doesn't trump what actually happens in the fight. Maybe it does for you, but just because someone wanted to convince me that it was evening....and wrote down on a piece of paper that it's "night time", when the sun is out shinning and the clock is telling me it's 1pm wouldn't convince me that It's night. Lol.

It wasn't a close fight. It was competitive but there was a clear winner. Unfortunately the decision didn't reflect the true nature of what happened inside of the ring but life goes on. It's not a new occurrence in boxing, gifts, robberies and home town decisions happen all the time. They're just not given much credit for the fighters on the receiving end of the controversial decision.

 

Who landed more punches overall is subjective, because many of G's punches were partly blocked or partly evaded with head movement by Canelo. So if you count all those punches, obviously you'll have G landing more punches. But as we know, what matters as far as scoring rounds isn't "overall punches" but rather "clean effective punches". I have presented the overall picture, which is something that can clearly be seen rather than something that is subjective and debatable. When Canelo slips a punch, when G's punch grazes his forehead, you're counting that as a landed punch, but Canelo skillfully evaded the effectiveness of the punch. That's a calculation that you have to make when scoring a round which is central to the "whole picture" of the fight.

Not only did Canelo land more body shots, but he threw many more body shots which is important to scoring fights and deciding who wins a close round. Not only that, but most of the body shots that Canelo landed were thudding hard punches. The significant of this is obviously lost on you or you're just trying to block it out of your mind. Going into the fight, all we heard about from G fans was how good of a body puncher he was, and how he was gonna land all these body punches on Canelo. It didn't happen, G was gunshy he was obviously worried about getting counter which was exactly what me and many others predicted.

What does it matter how many punches you throw if you can't land? G threw a lot of punches, whoopty freakin do. Give the man a participation trophy but that's not gonna get it done in professional boxing. Canelo demonstrated far better and more consistent defense. He made G miss more, he slipped more punches, he blocked a lot of punches. (G blocked a fair share too) But overall Canelo won the "defense" category round after the round. Making an opponent miss can swing a close round.

Canelo landed more clean, hard, effective, impactful punches than G did. It's not a fallacy at all, that's what happened and you're in denial of this. You're also in denial of the outcome which was a draw and you're calling those who had the fight close laughable, which I'm insulted by as I not only had it close but had Canelo winning by several rounds. Any way you slice it, Canelo landed the better punches. G landed more punches, but many of those punches were ineffective, insignificant, partly landed, partly blocked, partly slipped, etc. Canelo landed more of the punches that mattered. The punches that impacted the opponent. It's silly to deny this, G doesn't have the head movement or the overall defensive skill that Canelo has.