GGG decline ?

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  1. Devon Dog

    Devon Dog Member Full Member

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    People on here have been commenting a bit about this
    Is it a natural decline or do changes simply need to be made
    ie New trainer
    Different gym or even country
    Different training plan for a top level fighter who is maturing

    Maybe a UK based gym and trainer !!! ???
     
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  2. BCS8

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    Golovkin's getting old.

    His skills are still there, chin, power etc, but he's clearly a bit slower and that makes the difference against the elite of the division. Short of winding the clock back 4 years, there's nothing he can really do except for making sure that his footwork is bang on and making sure that he can deliver the damage. I think his decline will be gradual, but it's already happened.
     
  3. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    I think it is a natural decline. Golovkin trains how he trains and fights how he fights i dont see anything needing to change. This talk of him declining has been from his last 3 fights really but i dont include the Brook fight, he knew the fight as a whole was getting a bit frowned upon and he also knew Brook was never guna put a dent in him so he fought in a very blaze way.

    But i think Canelo is the most talented man Golovkin has fought and Jacobs is also one of the most talented as well as being maybe the biggest (he looked huge that night) aswell as being an age that in most peoples books is past prime. But i do think alot of this all comes down to the fact he has just faced 2 really tough opponants in his last 2 fights and people are reading so much in to it. But he is declining and it is due to his age.
     
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  4. fistsof steel

    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    36 and an incredible Amature Career undefeated as a Pro and possibly one of the most Dominant Middleweights we have seen for some time...obviously would be in decline at this age...but still very very dangerous.!!!!
     
  5. Papillon

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    It may just be me but I have seen decline since the Monroe fight.

    His power is there but the snap and speed has gone from his punches and this has been evident even in dominant performances like that against Wade.

    Also his footwork which was one of his best attributes has slowed dramatically....its just a shame that fighters are only now just willing to fight him.
     
  6. heerko koois

    heerko koois Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Still the best at 160 though
     
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  7. shanahan14

    shanahan14 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Golovkin has declined a bit but nothing dramatic. He fights a style where he doesn't care if he gets hit and eventually that takes a toll. He is 36 years old and has nearly 40 professional fights + 350 amateur fights. However, Jacobs and Canelo are the next best middleweights and that showed when he fought them. I thought he beat both clearly but it's enough for people to say he is going to be washed soon.

    My bet is he retires after the Canelo rematch then maybe fights Saunders.
     
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  8. kk17

    kk17 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah Golovkin seem's on the decline but he should at least make 2 more fights in 2018 (Canelo rematch, WBO belt)
     
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  9. Gil Gonzalez

    Gil Gonzalez Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    He’s still got that chin though.

    I was surprised at how exhausted both fighters were only 2/3 of the way through GGG-Canelo. I thought it must be from the intensity of the fight and all the nerves.

    Conte said something about diminishing returns from high altitude training. I have no idea what the science is though. Both fighters train at high altitude. Would make a good thread, I imagine.
     
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  10. IsaL

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    What GGG has going for himself is that he hasn't been in the ring with fighters who put up fights except for Jacobs and Canelo. He may be naturally declining, but I think at slower pace than the average world class fighter.
     
  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I wouldnt argue that he may be past his best but I wonder if this opinion is being thought because he took punches from Brook, and was taken the distance by Jacobs and Alvarez but I think those fights would have played out the same regardless.
    Jacobs was arguably the best MW Golovkin had fought and Canelo possibly the most skilled he fought. Brook was also one of the more skilled opponents.

    I really dont think those fights would have been any different a few years back.
     
  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I sort of agree with that.
    I slightly favoured Jacobs before they fought and I think some went in fearing the reputation. Jacobs went in their looking to win IMO. Not saying any went in looking to lose but I think Jacobs believed in himself.
    Brook seemed to go in with nothing to lose and all to gain etc
     
  13. shanahan14

    shanahan14 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I do think the Brook fight is one of the most overhyped "exposed" moments of all time. Golovkin literally walked Brook down not giving a single **** about getting hit and broke Brook's face, essentially ruining him as a top fighter. I couldn't believe people actually thought Brook exposed Golovkin when he even said he knew Brook couldn't hurt him and he would make it a street fight. Against Jacobs and Canelo, Golovkin used defense and boxed like he should have. Against Brook, he gave zero ****s.
     
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  14. FrankinDallas

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    After nearly 400 am/pro fights, and with a come-forward-and-hit-me-I-don't-care style of fighting
    he's allowed a bit of a decline. Both Canelo and Jacobs are world class boxers; only casuals thought he'd walk right through them. Plus he did defeat Canelo, let's be honest about it, and Canelo fought the fight of his life AND owned one of the judges.
     
  15. kirk

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    Hes 35, with mannnny miles on him, if he wasnt in decline... he wouldnt be human.

    That being said... Brook, Jacobs and Canelo all are world class fighters that are in their absolute primes when G fought them... Im sure the quality of fighter there played an important factor in Gs performances... though I think thats the case moreso for Canelo than with Jacobs and Brook. I truly believe G could have made Brook look stupid in there had he not just went in looking to destroy him... and he had all the ability to stop Jacobs imo but for whatever reason (Jacobs speed and power perhaps?) He didnt execute properly.

    Against Canelo... I feel G did all he could do and it was truly due to Canelos level of fighter that kept him in it.


    So again... is G declining. Without question. Does the level of opponent also play a factor in the most recent outcomes? Of course.
     
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