GGG digs at Canelo aging him out.

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  1. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are saying GGG wont KO Canelo? We know he can't win on points, regardless.
     
  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If GGG wins by decision, without Canelo being beat down, which may not be probable but is certainly possible, I'm going to remind you what you said here. If Bivol can beat Canelo by decision without beating him down then why can't GGG? Because Bivol is younger and/or better today than GGG is at 40? That would make sense. Because Bivol was bigger and had a weight advantage? That too. But the argument you make is that GGG already proved in the ring that he was a better boxer than Canelo. GGG might not be a better boxer than Bivol is, but he is seen as more heavy handed than Bivol. If he can't hurt Canelo, which is your key to victory, then you don't expect him to win. But if he was a better boxer than Canelo, then he should be able to win by decision, which he hasn't been able to do 2x.

    When you say 40 year olds are supposed to lose to the P4P best, what I would remind you of is what 39 year old Marquez did to "P4P best" Pacquiao. He knocked him out cold. And even after that, Pacquiao still went on to revive his career into his 40s. And many still say he has a better "resume" or career than Mayweather who retired undefeated and beat him. So if no one holds H2H losses vs JMM or Mayweather against Pacquiao, one of which was a brutal KO and the other of which was largely seen as one-sided, then why would a loss to 40 year old GGG be any different for Canelo than a loss to 39 year old JMM was to Pacquiao? We need to be consistent. Also many don't see Canelo as "P4P best" anymore after the loss to Bivol, and some didn't see him as "P4P best" even before that.

    Many said the same thing about JMM Pacquiao 1,2&3 that was said about GGG Canelo 1&2. That JMM / GGG was "robbed". But ask yourself how many of the people who say that were JMM or GGG fans. Most objective observers see those fights as close fights that could have gone either way. If GGG wins, especially if he wins by decision, without beating down or knocking down Canelo, while you'd be thrilled with that scenario, it would also prove you wrong, which I'll be sure to remind you of if that happens. :lol:
     
  3. shadow111

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    You wanna know what GGG has to do to win a decision on Saturday without beating down Canelo and without knocking down Canelo?

    He needs to avoid getting hit with the kinds of big, heavy, eye-catching, sweat spraying shots that he was hit with in the first 2 fights. The problem is I don't see how he's going to be able to do that. Because Canelo is more motivated than ever to land big hurting shots on GGG. From all the trash talk GGG said about him behind his back, and with the added motivation to redeem himself after the loss to Bivol, and the incentive to not only beat GGG again, but to do it convincingly this time which he was unable to do the first 2 times. GGG is a good solid fighter with good fundamentals. But he's not the most elusive guy in the world. He has good blocking and some subtle movement but the subtle movement isn't often enough to avoid Canelo's bombs. Often in the first 2 fights, GGG moved subtlely trying to avoid shots and still got rocked while doing that. GGG can't get rocked as often as he did in the first 2 fights. That's maybe what Johnathon Banks can help GGG improve on this time. GGG did a lot of good work in the first 2 fights, he made it very hard for the judges to score. Canelo likes to take his time and load up on big shots that wow the judges, Canelo's eye catching sweat spraying shots are sometimes enough to swing a round in his favor, even if he's being outlanded.

    So what GGG needs to do is avoid getting hit with those kind of big shots. Not only do those kind of shots swing rounds but they hurt GGG and can slow him down. If I were GGG, I would actually lower my output early on, and really focus on defense, blocking Canelo's shots. And just potshot Canelo with jabs in between punches to set the tempo of a slow methodical one shot at a time pace. Avoid getting hit with big shots and jabbing could be enough to win GGG rounds and win a decision. Then if he avoids taking damage early, he can take it into the late rounds and take more risks in the later rounds where even if he gets hurt he's close enough to the final bell where he can survive and possibly win on points. If GGG comes out trying to head hurt or load up with big shots, he might get countered to hell and hurt early.

    GGG might be able to eat one big eye catching shot in a round that he is outlanding Canelo and still win the round. i.e. rounds 8 and 9 in the first fight. Byrd gave those to Canelo, but 2 of the 3 judges gave those rounds to GGG. Chances are though Canelo's not gonna gas like he did in those rounds this time, and GGG is not going to have the work rate to control the mid-rounds like he did 5 years ago. So we probably won't see rounds like 8 and 9 in the first fight, this time. Canelo's not going to be using that kind of footwork, he's going to stay in the pocket more. But I don't know if he'll be as aggressive as he was in the rematch, because Canelo gassed in rounds 10-12 in the rematch. I think both fighters need to pace themselves better, and for GGG he needs to avoid getting hit with big shots in even remotely close roudns. Rounds that you think he'll be winning, but in reality are toss-ups. This time, big shot from Canelo that catches the judges eye in a remotely close round could lose a round for GGG. GGG really needs to tighten up his defense, and maybe even give Canelo some footwork. For GGG, he shouldn't just stand in front of Canelo all night, because if he does sooner or later he'll get hit with a big shot that'll change how a round is score and could change the trajectory of the fight. All it takes is one big Canelo shot that gets "oooohs" from the crowd and then GGG to look hurt and that could be all she wrote. If GGG can avoid getting hit and looking hurt, particularly in the first half of the fight, he'll have a chance down the stretch.
     
  4. iceferg

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    Anvi Yildrim? Everyone Golovkin has fought since is better than him.
     
  5. sdot_thadon

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    And so if you say this some unspecified number of times it will become true, is that what we're doing here? Far as I know history will always have it: draw, canelo w, and whatever the result is Saturday. Your opinion won't ever change the official record. 2 guys, well matched have 2 close fights. That's the fact of the matter. I thought Canelo won the 2nd wider than either guy could argue the 1st fight, but it was still a pretty competitive fight.
     
  6. JOKER

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    Golovkin outboxed Clenelo TWICE — once coming forward and when he got robbed, he switched it up and outboxed Clenelo going backwards.
     
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  7. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well he better to Diig to his body and face come fight night!!!
     
  8. Scar

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    Yeah, going life and death with someone that lost to Jacobs and only has 14 professional fights in total is serious business. :lol: I see Chenko has accomplished the impossible since that joke fight. Oh, and Murata has been dominating one division after another since his affair with the Tomato Can Devourer.
     
  9. Scar

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    Yeah, they are both cornering the athletic market with their dominance lately.
     
  10. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Uh-oh, it's the lord of simpletons himself. Mr. zero IQ and his comical theories.
    Indeed, Derevyenchenko was so scary, Alvarez decided to move up in weight and fight bigger opponents than take that career ending risk.

    Rumor has it, Alvarez paid Golovkin, Charlo, and Adames to put an end to the overwhelming terror. Can you please verify?
     
  11. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    Dude, how do you not see the blatant hypocrisy? What have Chenko and Murata done? GGG only just fought Murata you fool so what could Murata have possibly achieved. Chenko beat Charlo (and was robbed) and he arguably beat a non drained Jacobs too.

    What have Clens 168 opposition achieved since their defeatd? What has BJS done? Hidden away and basically retired. Callum Smith hasn't fought anyone. Plant hasn't done anything either. Great achievements

    I know youre not one of the more intelligent (i use this term very loosely) Canlelo nob riders so I'm not expecting any acknowledgement of this obvious. Your opinion is simply null, valueless
     
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  12. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Poppycock...
     
  13. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're to kind , scar is a thick as **** troll...
     
  14. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i wish what your saying was true. I had faith in the system in the rematch, no more. Also ,Bivol won 10-2 or 9-3 but only wins by 2 points. It should be let the best man win, then the big fights would be more enjoyable. Canelo has never lost a competitive fight.
     
  15. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You make some valid points minus the fact you said Chenko beat Charlo, disagree about that as Charlo beat him up bad going forward,

    You can't honestly believe that?