GGG Finally Speaks On Robbery: I Wasn't The One Getting Booed When I Walked Out of the Ring!!!

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  1. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He's essentially taking a bit from Mayweather's playbook. Tell the crowd you will fight this way (THIS time...), but fight in their typical manner.
     
  2. mirkofilipovic

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  3. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That’s where I’m unsure of which Canelo shows up. The fight Alvarez fought was never his “typical” style before GGG. Alvarez completed modified his style specifically for Golovkin and it didn’t pay off....outside of going 12 and being blessed with a Draw no one outside of the judges accepted
     
  4. LANCE99

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    It sort of shocks me how many play the "Canelo landed the harder shots" when they essentially had no effect on 3G (In terms of actually hurting. Clearly all punches have some form of affect). If one is hitting the other guy so much harder, don't think his over use of backpedaling would be the case.
     
  5. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Nope. Disagree. Boxing fans are always suckers for the Cinderella Man which in this case is GGG. The masses are going to cheer for the man they think best represents themselves and be more sympathetic for that fighter just like a little girl wants to grow up and be a Disney princess. It’s a tried true method that has worked from the very beginning. This is just dumb masses doing their typical song and dance.

    This same bs happened during Floyd/Pac. People blamed Floyd for Manny’s **** poor performance when responsibility fell on Manny himself. Manny wasn’t who everyone thought he was and it ended up being an anti-climatic affair because Manny couldn’t up his level to be effective and even blamed Floyd for running. It’s plain idiotic and insane to blame Canelo for G’s performance and just shows the masses are idiots who don’t know what they’re talking about or what they’re even looking at.

    This is why in boxing, you have judges. This is also why you have an ellectoralcollege because the masses are too ******ed. You don’t have to believe the Bible but it’s funny how it even points this flaw of human nature out when Baraba was chosen over Jesus.

    There are Mexicans out there that know the truth and support Canelo. If you were superior to your opponent in skill/defense/footwork/ring IQ, you know damn well you’re not going to lower yourself to that of your opponent and give into his advantages.Neither would any of these idiots behind this “running” bs. Only casuals believe in that bs and yes I’m aware Canelo has used the same excuse but he’s proven he’s an actual student of the sport and has broadened his game.

    G better follow suit because fans aren’t **** but back stabbing fair weather trend riding mf’s. I’d rather be in Floyd’s position than Manny Pacquiao. Same with Canelo over Triple Excuse. SRL over Duran, etc. If these guys were true supporters of these Cinderella men, they would’ve made these guys the a side. But that’s not the case at all. These same bums tomorrow will forget GGG and hype a new dude the next day so who gives af what fans claim they want or who they blame.

    This story has been told 100 times. You’d think people would learn by now.
     
  6. shadow111

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    It's the other way around, his over use of backpedaling is what led to the hardest punches which surprised G because G was moving forward in full offense / chasing Canelo which is what caused him to be hit so hard. Like in rounds 6, 7, 8 and 9 the more Canelo backpeddled the more over-confident G became and that's when he was surprised with the uppercuts straight right hands while G was coming forward. Punches have more power and hurt more when you're moving forward into them and / or not expecting them.

    They definitely had an effect on Golovkin, Not only did they "stop Golovkin in his tracks" but they caused him to become more fatigued and become more labored in his breath.

    The dynamic of G coming forward + Canelo backpedaling is what led to most of the hard punches. Canelo would backpedal, backpedal, backpedal, lure G into a false sense of security then occasionally he'd stop duck a punch and come back with a counter bomb while G was still walking forward.
     
  7. LANCE99

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    :rolleyes:
     
  8. JohnnyDrama99

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    I have to admit, Alvarez’s punches look and sound sensational. That is due to the flashy style he has. He’s fast and explosive but not particularly a heavy handed puncher like Golovkin.

    But you are spot on....if people who are claiming Canelo won based on the assumption that his punches were harder, the question becomes; “why”.....why wasn’t Canelo employing a much more weighted offensive attack if his punches were more impactful than that of Golovkin’s?

    Golovkin’s punches don’t look fast or extremely devastating a lot of the time, but the end results speak for themselves.....whether that’s a KO, knock down or opponents choosing to move around the ring a lot more than we are accustomed to seeing, it proves GGG has definitive power that affects his opposition when they feel his punches.
     
  9. shadow111

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    They were looking at a very specific section of the crowd where the boos were coming from. The impression from Golovkin fans who believe that Canelo's own fans were booing him would have to believe that the entire arena was booing him since it's been established that the crowd was overwhelmingly Mexican / Canelo supporters. If that theory was the case, then it wouldn't be such a specific part of the crowd that both Max and Canelo would stare at when the booing started. If Canelo's own fans were booing him, then they'd be hearing the boos from all around them, since the overwhelming majority of crowd was supposedly mexican / pro-Canelo, the boos wouldn't be coming from such a specific area that both Max and Canelo would be looking directly at. Since the boos were coming from one specific section of the crowd, that suggests it was coming from a small but vocal section of the crowd that were Golovkin supporters.
     
  10. shadow111

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    Because he was timing Golovkin, waiting for the right opportunities to catch Golovkin moving forward, making sure that his bombs would find the target, rather than loading up with big punches frequently and ending up missing. It's very simple : Canelo was being efficient, accurately targeting Golovkin with hard punches when the optimal moments presented themselves, rather than trying to reach and force big punches when the opponent was out of range or with his gloves up.

    The end results spoke for themselves, before he fought Jacobs and Canelo. In his last two fights though, the end results didn't speak much of anything concrete, especially vs Canelo because his power didn't affect Canelo. The fact that Canelo was moving around the ring more than we are accustomed to seeing isn't a result of his power, but rather being cautious of his power. And many have theorized that the reason Canelo moved around the ring more than usual, wasn't due to Golovkin's power, but rather Canelo's own issues with gassing / fatigue.

    I don't think anyone doubts that Golovkin punches hard, Canelo included, but nothing Golovkin was able to land on Canelo bothered him. Granted, that probably had a lot to do with Canelo's movement, or Golovkin getting frustrated, tired chasing Canelo, Golovkin not used to going 12 rounds, etc but I don't think Canelo's more than usual movement vs Golovkin was proof that Golovkin had power, rather it was just Canelo being cautious of his power, and using his skills and advantages to frustrate Golovkin.
     
  11. JohnnyDrama99

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    I agree that the Cinderella man experience is a real thing and in some situations occurs...Not this one. Canelo is the biggest name, most popular boxer with the biggest fan base in all of Boxing. GGG was barely known outside of the Boxing community.

    The masses are going to cheer for the name they are more familiar with or has followed as an avid supporter. The segment of the population that are just fans, strongly felt GGG won based on what they saw inside the ring.

    The other segments and more meaningful are peers and Boxing insiders like pro fighters (current or retired), Boxing trainers and coaches, sports analysts and writers...basically people who aren’t just “fans”, but observers who actually have a different perspective that adds credibility to the perspectives they offer. Almost all of this segment aligned with the overwhelming general population that weighed in on who they felt won this fight. 85% to 90% felt GGG won, clearly.

    Alvarez is the one who has had to listen to harsh questions from his own supporters/fans as well as critics about his performance. Most felt it wasn’t up to par and no where near his best. People are blaming GGG for Canelo’s poor performance but it was Alvarez’s choice to go with that overly defensive fight plan against GGG....Golovkin didn’t map that out for him.

    The examples of Manny/Mayweather & SRL/Duran don’t really align with the GGG/Alvarez fight. Chavez/Whitaker and Holyfield/Lewis are more comparable. I don’t see very many who give Chavez, Holyfield or Alvarez credit for the “Draw” they received against Whitaker, Lewis and Golovkin whom almost everyone agree were the winners of those fights. In those fights, I’d rather be Sweet Pea, Lennox and Gennady every day of the week.

    Being gifted with an unjust decision is a lot of the times worse than taking the L, because to this day guys like Chavez and Holyfield aren’t given any credit for those draws. Alvarez is in the same situation. He won’t ever be given credit for that verdict...his only hope is that he can beat GGG in the rematch but if it plays out like the Holyfield/Lewis rematch???? it will only exasperate situation for Alvarez.
     
  12. Tomato(e) Can

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    1) Floyd admitted to stinking up the fight. He said: "I never said how I was gonna win," admitting that he stunk up the joint.

    2) Floyd was on roids (IV fluids to mask, TUE to cover it up completely)

    3) Uh, Manny was old, semi-shot, and was violently KO'd in the twilight of his career. Are you dumb or just a hater?

    4) A world renown sports surgeon confirmed the injury (I'll take his word over yours?)
     
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  13. JohnnyDrama99

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    The optimal moments were always there for Canelo; he just knew that each of those moments were always placing him at risk which he fought harder to avoid than he did to actually seek a knockout or emphatic win. Alvarez fought well in spots but did not sustain those flashes of offense that provided him with marginal success. Golovkin on the other hand was consistently pushing the action, controlling the action; dictating the distance and ultimately forcing Alvarez to fight a fight he wasn’t comfortable with.

    If you believe GGG’s punches didn’t effect Canelo there’s little to talk about. The tactics Alvarez used against GGG was foreign. The only reason Canelo would opt to fight so defensively and off the back foot would be due to the impact Golovkin’s power had on Alvarez.

    Otherwise he would have opted to fight in his typical Canelo style where he is much more offensive and less mobile. I won’t call it running, but he was retreating and backing up to a point that was considered excessive. Canelo has always had issues with gassing out and had stamina problems....so his moving around more, exerting more wasted energy is not a logical argument for his new strategy.

    GGG and Alvarez have power but it’s not the same power. The rematch should be more entertaining with more action because Alvarez has something to prove. Canelo has a chip on his shoulder going into the rematch because the narrative is that he lost and he wants to prove to everyone he is the better fighter. He didn’t prove that in the first meeting.
     
  14. LANCE99

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    That's one thing Canelo always had going for him: His combination punching looks great. it'll always get a crowd reaction, regardless of damage or contact. Just one of the benefits of being a major star, getting the benefit of the doubt.

    But the defense is now....Canelo WANTED to back up to force 3G inwards and in to his trap. I guess Alvarez forgot the latter.
     
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  15. Phelps-Brady

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    Boxing is actually very homo erotic! Men fight for purses, squabble over belts, train in CAMP's, clinch & punish each other in the ring via fisting each other! I am aroused. ..
     
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