GGG has to Move up In Weight if Wants to Be great

GG isn't a big MW.

You have to take into account everything:

Height

Reach

Walking around weight

GG would be outweighed naturally by a large margin, and he would be smaller and have reach disadvantages in every fight.

Just look at him. We know he's not a big MW. He walks around at 167 pounds, compared to Kovalev at 190. He'd have to bulk up to fight at LHW, and we don't know how that would affect him.

It'd be great if he took up the challenge, but he shouldn't be criticised if he doesn't.

 

Oh dear.

atsch

 

It's not his fault that MW isn't stacked.

As a guy who walks around naturally at 167 pounds, there's nothing wrong in him trying to clear out the division, especially as there's nothing much for him at SMW.

 

Boxsensei,

Here's an interesting statistic for you:

Only once in Floyd's entire career, did he fight a guy who was taller than him, heavier than him, and who also possessed an advantage in reach over him.

That fighter was Oscar De La Hoya.

Other than against Oscar, Floyd was never completely outsized and outweighed.

Yet if GG were to move up to LHW, he'd be completely outsized and outweighed on a regular basis.

:good

 

Guys like Pacquiao and Mike Tyson must have been outsized on multiple occassions though.

 

By that logic, that would suggest Canelo won't "completely outsize and outweigh" Amir Khan.

Or that Denis Lebedev wouldn't "completely outsize and outweigh" Golovkin himself.

Both of which are nonsense.

 

Against Murray he weighed 172lbs @ 30 day weigh in, you cant tell me he doesn't walk around @ 175-180 minimum.

Say he only weighs 172 walk around weight, he'd have 3 months to put on lbs he could easily weigh 182 if he wanted especially since he diets just to stay @ 172ish

 

How is it nonsense?

It's factual.

I haven't discussed the importance of the advantages or disadvantages, nor have I discussed natural weight, power or strength. Those would be obvious.

If Golovkin fought Lebedev, it obviously wouldn't be a fair fight despite them being similar in height and reach. Because Lebedev's huge advantages in strength and power would cause more than enough trouble.

You've missed the point I was trying to make.

Boxsensei believes that Golovkin should go to LHW, because Floyd was outsized on numerous occasions. Yet the fact is, he wasn't completely outsized and outweighed, like how Golovkin would be on a regular basis, if he was to move up to LHW.

That was my point.

We don't need to talk about fantasty fights with Golovkin fighting Lebedev at CW, or a SMW fighting Mike Tyson for example. I'm comparing Floyd fighting Canelo and Maidana etc, to Golovkin fighting Kovalev and Stevenson etc.

Just because Floyd was outweighed by Canelo, that isn't the same as asking Golovkin to go and fight Kovalev etc.

 

I was just thinking about it and size wise, Floyd vs Canelo is kind of like Golovkin vs Marciano.

 

Marvin Hagler is considered great by every rational boxing fan....he's in the BHOF. He never fought above 160....defended his MW belt numerous times.

Why can't GGG follow the Hagler model and be considered great? I don't mean right now; I mean after cleaning out the division and defending his belt many times.

 

Because there are no Hearns/Duran/Leonard types for him to fight against?

 

His weight against Murray 30 days out, did seem high to me. But we don't know the specifics.

His weight against Lemieux 30 days out was only 165 pounds.

I've heard Abel Sanchez say in the past that his walking around weight is normally 167 pounds, even if he doesn't train.

I'd be interested to see what his other 30 day weights were. Again, his weight against Murray did seem high.

I think SMW would be fine, and of course I'd love to see him fight at LHW. But I don't think he should face criticism for not going up to LHW now, nor do I think he should face criticism if he doesn't end up moving there in the future.

 

Surely beating Canelo would be a big notch on his belt? Who knows...maybe in 2-3 years the MW division will have some Hearns types. I agree there are none now besides Canelo.

And Hagler didn't fight all monsters....Caveman Lee? Fulgencio Obelmejas? Tony Sibson?

 

An intriguing thought.

Can you believe that Floyd had a 4" reach advantage over him?

Rocky was really up against it wasn't he. He wasn't tall, his reach was short, he wasn't heavy, he wasn't fast, and he wasn't great techically. People criticise him for fighting past prime fighters etc, but he achieved an awful lot with what he brought to the table.

 

From memory he weighed 168/9ish on fight night against Lemeiux.

I wouldn't trust Abel on that, its in their best interest to claim he's as small as possible. If he's so small he should just fight Canelo (who is supposedly much bigger) at 155. 155 should be to GGG's advantage.

edit: against Rubio he weighed 173 and against Macklin and Monroe he was 170 on fight night