GGG has to Move up In Weight if Wants to Be great

I thought GGG had to move down to Caneloweight?

 

They all moved up naturally.

The circumstances are different.

GG is a natural MW who is small.

Do you think if Floyd had been a small MW he'd have moved up to fight big LHW's who weigh 185 plus pounds?

You can't expect GG to fight at LHW.

Unfortunately, now Ward, Froch and Kessler have left SMW, there's nothing much happening there at the moment.

For the time being, MW is the best place for him.

 

Outsized in height and reach?

 

yes..hell Oscar,Baldo and Canelo all has 20 pounds on him....GGG just is not as good as Mayweather..hell Castillo had over 10 pounds on him at 135

 

It's a fantasy.

Also, we never got to know what Floyd weighed in at on fight night.

The T/S is also only factoring in weight here. But what about disparities in height and reach for GG?

Floyd was outweighed for some fights, but there's not been many guys over the years that have started at the low weights and possessed a 72" reach.

Do you really think that Floyd fighting Canelo, would be the same as GG fighting a guy like Kovalev?

 

You moved the goal post..first you were talking about weight..kill the stupid ass excuses.GGG has no desire to take risks..Floyd did

 

How have I moved the goal posts?

It's not my thread.

Asking about height and reach is a valid question.

Floyd fighting Canelo and being outweighed, would not be the same as asking GG to fight huge LHW's.

How many risks did Floyd take in his career? Look at all the stipulations he made.

GG's current division is stronger than the current SMW division, and LHW is too much of a jump.

 

There isn't as much talent at super middleweight right now as there is at middleweight. GGG just needs to unify the belts so people will stop ducking him. Once he beats Saunders, Alvarez, Quillin, Lee, Eubank Jr, and Jacobs he'll be great. Beating Degale, Dirrell, Abraham, or Badou Jack would be a nice cherry on top though.

 

That's right.

There's no point in him moving up at the moment.

He's already mandated to fight Canelo.

 

Nonito Smoke once told me that Floyd Mayweather had as good a record as Roberto Duran did. Even though Duran had moved up much further in weight, the quality of his opposition at those weights was frequently somewhat less than it was at lightweight where he'd had to contend with the likes of Ken Buchanan and Esteban De Jesus.

Palomino, Cuevas, and Leonard were great career defining wins, but above welterweight Duran wasn't quite as good. Above that he's basically known for beating Davey Moore, Iran Barkley, and having a close fight with Hagler.

He might have accomplished just as much at lower weights with wins against Ray Mancini, Aaron Pryor, Alexis Arguello, Antonio Cervantes, Donald Curry, Marlon Starling, and Lloyd Honeyghan without ever going above welterweight. Then at junior middleweight there was John Mugabi, Mike McCallum, and Julian Jackson. Basically, there was as much opportunity to be great at the lower weights as there was by fighting at the higher weights.

 

Loudon is right. It's one thing to move up in weight when you can't make the limit anymore. It's another to move up in weight while giving away reach and height advantage. Mickey Walker, Hank Armstrong, and Roberto Duran weren't doing quite the same thing as Tommy Hearns who retained all of his advantages even while moving up in weight.

 

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It's a bigger fight but it might not help him more in terms of achieving greatness as Canelo has never beaten a real middleweight and he might not prove to be very good as a middleweight. At the end of the day for a middleweight he is short, has a short reach, isn't that fast, isn't that powerful and isn't all that skillful.

Imo right now proving yourself in a 2nd weight division > beating someone hasn't really proven himself yet at middleweight.

 

I get that, but I think he'll only make the move, when there's no other options for him at MW.

We have to respect the fact that he wants to clear up at MW and it's a prestigious division.

 

Why not?