GGG has to Move up In Weight if Wants to Be great

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    1. The CW is nonsense.

    2. They don't need to accept it because it's against the rules of boxing.

    3. Even if it had been agreed, the fight wouldn't have been made at this stage anyway. The fight may not be made until next year. Oscar doesn't want Canelo to face GG right away. From a business standpoint, he wants to delay it for as long as possible.
     
  2. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I agree that GBP wants to delay the fight as long as possible, but saying that the fight wouldn't have happened anyway is beside the point.
    Even if they thought the fight wouldn't happen K2 should have accepted it anyway and shown they were willing but it is actually GBP who is blocking the fight. That's what a good promoter does, accepts the challenge and puts their fighter in the better light.

    Had the fight actually happened at 156, and Golovkin won, he would now be undisputed with a transition from the B-side to the A-side. Today, his team would be calling the shots as the undisputed MW champion. Then there would have been no Canelo-Khan or possibly Khan-Mayweather.

    Instead, K2 made an amateur decision placing Golovkin in an amateur position where WWs are dominating what should be his division.

    What K2 knows is that they can just wait and there is a 50% chance that the title will just fall into their hands by default without Golovkin even having to fight. They believe that this is the ideal alternative. That shows that K2 and Golovkin are more about marketing than boxing.
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    There hasn't been any amateur decisions being made.

    Golovkin shouldn't have to accept anything. He's the mandatory to the lineal champ.

    Again, Canelo would be fighting someone like Khan next regardless.
     
  4. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    IMHO, it was an amateur decision because it places Golovkin behind the WWs who've invaded his division.

    It appears that you are supportive of K2 playing boxing politics versus making good fights. :yep

    How do you know the fight wouldn't have happened when the time and place are negotiated terms specifically stated in the contract?
     
  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    It wasn't an amateur decision. K2 don't have to do anything at this point.

    A current MW champion does not have to concede a CW, to fight against the lineal belt holder in what's also a mandatory defence.

    Again, realistically, the fight would never have happened by now, nor would it have been due to happen next.

    Golovkin has a mandatory defence and Canelo was always going to take/request a voluntary. He was never going to fight Golovkin straight after beating Cotto. If Canelo wasn't fighting Khan next, it would have been a voluntary against someone else.
     
  6. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    GGG needs to move up. Most of the big names at LHW weigh in in the 180's on fight night. That means GGG would likely face an avg 10-15l weight disadvantage. Floyd has been doing it for years now and it played a part in why he started scoring less KO'S. If GGG wants to be considered great then he needs to move up and challeneg himself or else he will be remembered as an avg MW whose best win was David Lemeiux
     
  7. slash

    slash Boxing Addict Full Member

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    no, he doesn't
     
  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nonsense.

    Kovalev walks around at 190 pounds.

    What about the disparity in height and reach as well as natural weight?

    Floyd did no such thing for years, and he would never disclose what he weighed on fight night.
     
  9. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I think that Kovalev would have some success at CW. He's good and has a great punch. But he'd be better matched against a short CW without a ton of reach like Lebedev. He seemed to hold his own sparring with Guillermo Jones after all. And Golovkin would have some success at SMW. He would probably be the man at SMW. He's talented with a lot of pop, but there is a point where guys are too much for him. Could he beat Julio Cesar Chavez Jr? Easily. Could he beat Fonfara and Cleverly? Maybe. Could he beat Kovalev? I doubt it.

    The thing is people usually only move up when they are forced to because they are too big to make weight in the division they normally fight at. Or they see a weak champion in the division above them that they can easily defeat. Golovkin wouldn't have had much trouble moving to light heavyweight a few years ago when Tony Bellew, Chad Dawson, Karo Murat, or Bernard Hopkins were the best around, but things are a lot tougher right now with Kovalev, Stevenson, Beterbiev, and now Ward. Emile Griffith and Jose Napoles were ATG welterweights and good middleweights, but they couldn't be champ while Carlos ****ing Monzon ruled the division.

    Think of all the guys who moved up. Sugar Ray Ray Robinson made his light heavyweight attempt against Joey Maxim not Archie Moore or Ezzard Charles. Sugar Ray Leonard moved up when the light heavyweight champ was Donny Lalonde, not Michael Spinks.
     
  10. vargasfan1985

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  11. Doc Everlast

    Doc Everlast Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    GGG needs to climb the North Face of the Eiger if he wants to be great!
     
  12. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your entire post is incorrect. Whether its based upon lies or ignorance I don't know. Kovalev has been anywhere from 183-189 on fight.

    Second, boxing is comprised based upon weight division. You idiots need to stop with all this height, reach nonsense because it's irrelevant. By your logic, Paul Williams was 6'2 and had a longer reach that Klitschko, and yet he got outboxed by Carlos Quintana. Should Williams have been forced to fight at HW??

    And we have several fights where Mayweather's fight night weight was displayed. are a few that come to mind so get your facts straight. For example

    Against Ortiz he he was outweighed 150-164 on fight night.

    Against Canelo he was outweighed 150-165 on fight night.

    Against Maidana he was outweighed 148-165 on fight night
     
  13. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    GiGi doesn't want to become great.

    He wants to be the King of Bumland.
     
  14. Super Hans

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    Marvin Hagler was such a bum for not doing it. :good
     
  15. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Tell me about the state of the SMW division during Haglers reign. The only thing that was waiting for Hagler North of 160 was ATG LHW Champion Michael Spinks who campaigned at HW the same year Hagler had a super fight with Thomas Hearns.


    God damn, some people just don't know a damn thing about baaxing.

    This isn't even taking to account the state of the MW division during Haglers era.

    Bummyluvkin just wants to become the bum king. Nothing wrong with that though.