GGG is - at the very least - the Greatest middleweight since Hagler

I've seen him have some good debates regarding other topics.

He hates GG due to the hype. But that's nothing to do with GG, it's just a segment of his fan base.

 

Why do people feel as though GGG was supposed to dispose of top level guys like Alvarez and Jacobs within 3 rounds? That's the kind of expectations that are meant to be a total let down. Jacobs and Canelo have never been completely dominated and have proven to be ranked amongst the best boxing has to offer. GGG is a great boxer but he's not a super hero who's faster than a speeding bullet or able to leap over buildings in a single bound. He's human and the expectations should be realistic. He was tested against Danny, I thought he lost as razor close decision but can't argue giving him the nod.

He clearly beat Alvarez even though it was recorded as a draw. The overwhelming majority of the viewing public consider his fight with Alvarez as a win so that has a greater impact on his stock than what the draw did for Canelo. GGG is looking for a rematch to clear the air and may even face off with Danny again. I believe both options are viable and need to happen. I'm hoping Canelo steps up and the rematch happens in Mexico.

 

Golovkin has to overcome the extreme hate and discrimination of Eastern European fighters in America.................

 

In actual fact Farmboxer its this very same attitude that these guys complain of, which they are applying on the EE guys...

 

Canelo was dominated by a welter weight and Jacobs has never beaten a top level middle weight. He currently has no wins against anybody from the top 10. A mentally broken Quilin is the only top 10 guy he ever beat and he was coming off draw to Andy Lee in a fight he should have lost.

Nobody really knows how good of a MW Canelo is. For all we know he could get his chit pushed in by Charlo , Saunder , Jacobs , Eubank Jr etc.

Fact is GGG waited his entire career to fight Canelo and when he eventually got him inside the ring he ended up throwing nothing but jabs cos he was so fearful of being out boxed.
You can argue he won the fight all you want , but a truly great MW wouldn't have been so apprehensive against a cream puff in the most important fight of his life.

I can think of a dozen MWs who'd mop the floor with Canelo. His stamina and work-rate is a complete embarrassment for his level.

Sadam Ali equaled , if not bettered Canelo's performance against Cotto and he came up from 147.

If GGG was a great boxer he would have dominated both Canelo and Jacobs. You don't get to call yourself an ATG for pasting out the likes of Murray , Geale and Lemieux.

 

True, but that's what happens when a fighter is over hyped, you're expected to crush everyone without breaking a sweat. Same thing happened to Joshua recently, all the fan boys were like Joshua KO1, Joshua KO2, Joshua KO3. But Joshua himself said before that he expected the fight to go 10 rounds, which it did. But because fan boys have their heads so far up their idols asses when they don't deliver they go into a feminine spiral of despair, oh no Golovkin isn't invincible, must mean he's garbage. Honestly some so called fans have the temperament of a 3 year old.

We all know for many years now the middleweight division has lacked depth of quality even going back prior to Golovkin's reign. So it isn't a surprise that when Golovkin suddenly fought some decent fighters he should look less than invincible.

 

hes the best H2H since Canelo, and the most accomplished since Abraham, although Abraham didnt really unify.

 

Golovkin is clearly more accomplished as Abraham @160 and I can't see any middlweight on Abraham's resume which might give Golovkin any problems.

 

maybe you should take another look at Arthur Abraham's MW resume before you put him ahead of the likes of Hopkins, pavlik, taylor, and Martinez. NONE of whom he fought at MW...

 

you mean "if i do", i dont.

apart from sergio, a possible claim there.

 

Sergio beating paul Williams and Kelly pavlik alone easily trump anything Abraham did at MW

 

ok, then 3g is best since sergio 4acheives, i agree,

 

It’s crazy man. I think all fighters who are at the top of the sport are subjected to being over hyped by a segment of fans who can’t separate reality from fantasy. Especially when a boxer has power....Wilder and Joshua both have a level of hype that they will never live up to

 

I think Golovkin is a great boxer. He still has a lot left to prove but thus far he’s etched out quite a legacy for himself.

It’s unfair to expect GGG to dominate everyone he’s faces especially when the opposition is on his level. At the end of the day, great fighters have the ability to win. They are also consistent and have longevity which separates them from their peers.

Danny and Canelo managed to go 12 with GGG. That has more to do with them being great competitors who are operating at a very high level than GGG not being a great boxer.

Styles make fights....you can’t always fall back on he old adage of fighter A beating fighter B or dominated fighter C, as a way to validate or discredit a fighter that is winning. There are many variables to consider and have to be factored in.

All the greats have struggled with certain styles or boxers that made them look human or not as dominating as they have with most of their other opponents. It’s a reality of the sport.

I don’t agree with your take on how GGG handled Canelo. Alvarez was the one who was on his bike and back peddling the entire night forcing GGG to chase him down and use the jab as much as he did. The jab is the closest weapon to your opponent and when that opponent is constantly moving away instead of standing his ground....it’s the most reliable and effective weapon a boxer has to safely close distance.

 

Jacobs wasn't as a 'great competitor' before the fight. He's just a regular MW contender who beat nobody of any note. Majority saw him getting blown away as a foregone conclusion. Jacobs isn't great , the fact he ran GGG so close says more about GGG being not great then it does Jacobs being great.

Canelo isn't great either. His MW record going into the fight was 0-0-0. You can't say they were operating at a very high level becuase neither of them have any wins against top 10 ranked MWs. Them just the facts.

Thats a false description of the fight that seems to getting passed of as fact lately..I guess if you tell a lie long enough it becomes a reality .

Even if Canelo wanted to bike it for 12 rounds he couldn't since he hasn't the legs nor the stamina. GGG had this guy right in front of him for large swathes of the bout and he still couldn't do anything to him.
The odd Canelo counter here and there tamed the 'mighty' Golokin into cautious jabber.

Anyway , you can't blame the other guys movement as an excuse why you couldn't knock him out. If GGG couldn't pin him down enough to land significant punches , it means he came up short in area's of footwork and ring generalship.
But Canelo wasn't moving that much as it was , and he still was able to neutralize GGGs offence.

Crowd cam footage offers up another perceptive. Canelo willingly puts his back to the ropes a number of times. Runners or cyclers don't invite their opponent in while they have their back to the ropes.

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