GGG is - at the very least - the Greatest middleweight since Hagler

Good post. GGG beats Hopkins at 160. IMO, GGG is the best middle weight since Hagler.

 

I think Jacobs was a great competitor and still is at 160. His record in major title fights before GGG was Record in Major Title Fights: 5-1, 5 KO, 1 KOBY
Current/Former World Champions/Titlists Faced: 2 (Ishe Smith UD10; Dmitry Pirog TKO by 5; Sergio Mora TKO2, TKO7; Peter Quillin TKO1)

While he hasn’t faced a remarkable depth of opposition, he’s faced enough to let us know the speed and power are legitimate. A lot of the casual fans and GGG fanatics saw Jacobs getting blown out but boxing insiders and fighters all saw this fight as a very even fight going in.

Canelo definitely didn't have any real fights at middleweight to suggest he was a top player in the divison. His wins over Cotto and Chavez Jr were solid performances but not against a real middleweight or top level middleweight. However, Canelo was a very big Jr middleweight that had outgrown the division a long time ago. He is a legitimate middleweight now and his performance against GGG was good enough to prove he can hang with the top of the division.

It's not a lie or a false statement. Canelo was back peddling most of the fight. That's just reality and for those who want to claim otherwise simply are refusing to accept it.

Canelo had the legs and stamina to back pedal and retreat more than he had the conditioning to dig in and fight in the trenches. Obviously he opted to use those legs as the crux of his defensive strategy for a reason. He did well in spots, rallying off some flashy combinations before hopping back on his bike and trying to keep as much space and distance in between him and Golovkin as possible.

The fact of the matter is, Canelo was relegated to fighting a GGG kind of fight. Usually Alvarez is not back peddling in fights he is controlling, he's walking his opponents down and if he is defensive, he's not backing up, but using lateral movement, half steps back or to the side and angles. He did this very sparingly against Golovkin.

GGG was the clear ring general that night. He controlled all aspects of the fight from the pace....the range at which most of the fight took place as well as the tempo. He threw more punches than Alvarez and landed more punches. His aggression was more effective and that's why you'll be hard to find many boxers, trainers or boxing insiders who thought Canelo deserved the draw, let alone a win against GGG.

You can absolutely blame a guy who has it in his mind to survive and back peddle the majority of the fight for not getting knocked out. Let's face it, at this level, if a skilled boxer like Alvarez doesn't want to get knocked out, he can opt to fight like he did against Alvarez and mitigate the risk by avoiding exchanges enough to make it to the cards.

There were a couple times that Canelo was cornered or GGG cut off the ring and Alvarez went to the ropes. He did chose to stay there once or twice to possibly get a rest from the constant pressure he was under and to make a stand, but it wasn't all that effective. Otherwise he would have just stayed in the center of the rings and boxed Golovkin instead of opting to move away throwing one punch at at time to keep a distance he was comfortable with.

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Total bollox. There was nobody making any case for Jacobs having success going in to that fight. He was thought to be made out of glass at the time and nobody expected him to cope with Golovin's power.

Oh , poor Gennady , if only Canelo stood still he may have won by knockout. Whatever happened to him being one of the best ring cutters in the game? Triple G fans -

Exactly , Canelo made adjustment and proved he was the more multi -dimensional boxer.

Not at all. You just admitted yourself that he struggled to impose his usual dominance due to Canelos movement and defensive maneuvers. Not that Canelo moved that much , because he didn't. He kept GGG timid and sent him reeling everytime he thew a flurry. He controlled and defended his wheelhouse , that why you never once saw him hurt or buzzed. Thats controlling the fight . Thats ring generalship.

Whose blaming Canelo? He implemented the right strategy required to beat Golovkin. Any quick , slick , fast evasive mover is going too make GGG look stupid. GGG was never good enough to take Canleo out of game plan. That again goes back to Canelo being the superior ring general.

He invited Golovkin in and Golovkin wouldn't take the bait because they both knew who the superior boxer was. If GGG was as great as his fan boys make him out to be , he would have dominated Canelo. One thing is for sure though , if Canleo could fight for 3mins of every round -like all former great MWs could - he would have absolutely beat GGG from pillar to post.
His punch -out as it was is criminal and he still arguably beat him.

 

Jacobs major title records was 1 loss going into the fight with 3G, and 2 losses after. What you wrote is such an abject lie its incredible you actually wrote it.

You gain nothnig from lying outright, good man.

 

Most people thought GGG would beat Jacobs, but there were some who felt that Jacobs size, style and skill set would surprise the majority who felt GGG would continue his KO streak. Leo Gonzalez from ESPN thought Danny would pull out the win. Keith Thurman predicted Jacobs would pull off the upset against GGG. Virgil Hunter also thought Danny would win a decision in a tough fight. Bernard Hopkins went against the grain and said he felt the upset was coming. So while it was overwhelming to see those calling for GGG to win, there were still some who knew Jacobs was a real test for Golovkin.

Lol...I don't think GGG needs any sympathy for the way Alvarez opted to fight. That was out of GGG's control and it's easy for people to say Alvarez should have fought more and retreated less when none of them were on the receiving end of Golovkin's punches. There's no question Golovkin is one of the best pressure fighters in the sport and cuts off the ring extremely well. That was on full display against Canelo who had his back against the ropes more in his fight against GGG than any other time in his lengthy career.

Alvarez didn't really make adjustments. If he did, Alvarez would have been able to make GGG fight his fight and control range, pace and tempo. Golovkin controlled all of those aspects of the fight which is why no one is denying it was Golovkin who was the ring general that night.

I didn't admit that GGG struggled to dominate Alvarez based on his defensive maneuvers. Lol....I said Golovkin struggled with Alvarez's constant back peddling as the foundation of his defense. Back peddling isn't a skill....it's a tactic.

Canelo was back peddling a LOT. To say otherwise is silly. You look at his fights with Kirkland, Liam and Khan and in those fights he wasn't back peddling very much. It's a stark contrast to how he chose to use so much movement going away from his target in his fight with GGG.

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If you say Alvarez was the ring general against GGG that's fine by me....Not that I agree or the overwhelming majority of fans, boxers, trainers or boxing analysts would agree....but you obviously have a unique perspective on how you view the sweet science.

There were some great moments from Alvarez. No question about it.....but it wasn't consistent or enough to impact the fight in a way that allowed him to have any resemblance of sustained success. He was too defensive and being moved around the ring by GGG who maintained control throughout the night.

 

Are you alright chief? I'm worried about you kid. To say Danny was going into the GGG fight on a loss is concerning. He was on a 12 fight win streak. Danny only has 2 losses on his ledger.....one of them against Golovkin... the other against Priog. You are a little confused guy. Lol Take a breather H.

 

its been done, i already answered that one, so u fail.

u really do fail doubly so since i am a massive 3g fan but i am not a blind fan.

u have no idea how badly u failed with that line! I guess thats why you never answred "to my face" by quoting me, but slyed it behind my back instead.

 

so by saying " i am worried about u kid" and then completely avoiding your previous argument, I assume you've admitted your argument about jacobs having 5 titles wins is wrong.

ok, thats fine, u r good man.

 

damn, talk about lying....2 losses after????

 

2 losses in total AFTER having had the additional 3g loss, yes.

not 2 losses SPECIFICALLY AFTER fighting 3g, which is how i think u read it? Hes not even fought twice since the loss, so yours would be an imaginative interpretation.

sorry for ambiguity, that interpretation didnt occur to me when i was fast typing.

 

fair enough, i have done the same.

 

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hopefully Jacobs stays active now. he knows he won't be getting Golovkin or Canelo for at least another year. fight 3-4 times in that span, don't let us forget about you.