GGG is - at the very least - the Greatest middleweight since Hagler

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Beouche, Oct 11, 2017.


??

  1. Yes

  2. No

Results are only viewable after voting.
  1. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member

    60,812
    81,148
    Aug 21, 2012
    He's as thick as lead. Christ.
     
    JohnnyDrama99 likes this.
  2. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

    7,398
    903
    Nov 24, 2012
    You're silly to think Alvarez trained to implement a losing strategy in his fight with GGG. Lol. It wasn't a premeditated plan to back up the whole night. Don't be simple.

    GGG is more powerful but he's not bigger from a weight perspective. Canelo actually weighs more on fight night than GGG.

    Alvarez usually comes forward as well. If you look at almost all of his fights he never backs up or uses nearly as much movement as he did against Golovkin.

    Canelo usually throws more and controls the pace in fights he wins. Against Mayweather he didn't dictate the pace as his punch output went down....as it did against GGG. Floyd was able to control the tempo and impact Alvarez's punch output with superior boxing. GGG was able to impact Canelo's punch output by apply pressure that Alvarez didn't have an answer to negate.

    GGG landed hooks, uppercuts straight right hands and jabs as well. He didn't land a significant amount of power punches that eclipsed Golovkin, if at all. Fact is, GGG out landed and out worked Alvarez over 12 sets.

    To say Alvarez walked GGG around the ring is laughable and a stretch. He was being pushed around the ring by Golovkin.

    It ended in a draw because of the judges, not because Alvarez did enough to earn the verdict.

    GGG clearly won and that's why the overwhelming consensus points to that. Just like Whitaker beat Chavez and LL beat Holyfield. No difference here only different times, fighters and weight classes.

    Canelo didn't have the chance to take off rounds. GGG maintained constant pressure throughout the 12 rounds. His rest came from back peddling in every round.

    I've watched the fight 4 times already and nothing changes expect the fact that it becomes more clear GGG won the fight.

    The reason GGG didn't look like an ATG fighter is because he's not....at least not yet. He has time to make some more title defenses and earn that status. But being an ATG isn't just handed out like government cheese.

    Canelo isn't an ATG either and his performance only decreased his stock, not elevate it. GGG on the other hand raised his stock despite the draw. The reason is simple and the same reasons Whitaker's stock rose after receiving a draw against Chavez and Lennox's stock rose after getting a draw against Holyfield....It's because everyone knew they won.
     
    LANCE99 and BCS8 like this.
  3. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

    7,398
    903
    Nov 24, 2012
    That's an understatement bro
     
    BCS8 likes this.
  4. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

    61,282
    24,001
    Jul 21, 2012
    This is a pure stupid comment. He prepared and fought to a gameplan that worked to his strengths. He was always going to approach that fight as the backfoot counter puncher. Everybody and their granny knew he wasn't going to stand in he pocket with Golovkin.
    Everybody who lost a fight ended up implementing a losing strategy. You can prepare the right gameplan all you want , its no guarantee you're going to win

    His game-plan turned out to serve him well as evidenced by the success he had. Any other approach would have seen him layed out.
    As for the rest of your post , its just all the same points as before structured differently.
     
  5. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member

    60,812
    81,148
    Aug 21, 2012
    To summarize Dino's post: Canelo did well not to get knocked out.

    GG.
     
    Staminakills likes this.
  6. Cross of Iron

    Cross of Iron Active Member Full Member

    964
    301
    Jul 24, 2004
    Yes GGG dictated the pace of the fight , he was the pursuer but when they actually engaged Canelo landed the harder punches and clearly he was faster . GGG landed more single shots . Overall i thought a draw was fair . If they meet again I would expect Canelo to do even better .

    I thought Canelo fought more intelligently ...he fought at times just like Mayweather does punching while turning , using the opponents momentum against themselves . I thought GGG would have adapted better , using a wider right hook but he didn't .
     
  7. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

    7,398
    903
    Nov 24, 2012
    A stupid a comment that matched your stupid claim. Of course Alvarez didn’t train to run a marathon on fight night. He trained to box GGG in the center of the ring which is what his corner was imploring him to do in between rounds because he was on the ropes more than they felt comfortable with.

    Canelo’s strengths is not using his legs as the foundation of his defense. It’s using angles, lateral movements and angles to evade and counter. Most of what Alvarez was doing was backing up to the point where he was at a safe distance from GGG but too far to effectively counter.

    His gameplan That he used in the fight didn’t serve him well. Otherwise the overwhelming consensus, including his peers and own fan base wouldn’t have claimed he lost the fight regardless of the verdict from the judges.
     
  8. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

    61,282
    24,001
    Jul 21, 2012
    You have no idea what his training camp looked like so don't ignorantly pretend like you do.

    Run a marathon ? Go watch the fight and come back when you have a clue. Or better yet , bring up the video and show me all the times Canleo was doing his best Andre Dirrel impression..


    Says who , you? Thought you said he done nothing but back peddle? Thats useing legs as a defensive measure. You're all over the place.


    Incorrect. He drew GGG into traps and counters , and succeeded hence why he out landed him on power punches.


    Likewise for Golovkin. That fight was easier for Golivkin to win than it was for Canelo. The fact Canelo done so well taking on the bigger challenge says more about his abilities as a boxer than it does about Golovkin.
    Hopkins mangled guys who came up from 154.
     
    IsaL likes this.
  9. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

    7,398
    903
    Nov 24, 2012
    I’m not pretending to know what his training camp looked like....I just have enough common sense to know it didn’t consist of working on a strategy that incorporated excessive back peddling. Lol. It doesn’t take a meeting of the greatest minds to come to that conclusion.

    Look....If I hurt your feelings by saying Canelo “ran a marathon”, my bad. You know he didn’t actually run a marathon, right? It was obviously a statement for effect to indicate Alvarez was retreating way too much to be successful.

    I already watched the fight, 4 times Chief. Nothing is going to alter ring action that took place on the night of the fight just because I watch it again....I could essentially watch that fight a thousand times and Nelo would still be back peddling more than he stood his ground.

    You thought wrong kid. I’m not all over the place...Lol. I never said that’s all Canelo did. I said he had great moments. That he did use some great footwork that allowed him to be at a range that his offense could work....but it just wasn’t consistent or sustained to wrestle control away from GGG who was consistently attacking and controlling the fight.

    You keep going back to Alvarez landing more power punches but he only landed a few more than GGG. Overall GGG outlanded on Alvarez by a significant amount.

    HOPKINS beat Tito and Oscar who were not real Jr Middleweights. They were welterweights who jumped up to 154 to face bigger challenges and then to 160 adding to their physical disadvantage. It wasn’t like Alvarez who was squeezing down to make the JR Middleweight limit and adding almost 20 pounds on the day of the fight. Canelo has been a middleweight for a while, he just campaigned as a JR Middleweight
     
    BCS8 and Odins beard like this.
  10. TheyDontHavDaP4PNo1NoMore

    TheyDontHavDaP4PNo1NoMore Member banned Full Member

    107
    97
    Jun 13, 2018
    haha It gets worse.....:llorona::llorona::llorona::llorona::llorona::llorona::llorona::llorona::llorona: Cry Baby also throws threats over the net lol! I'm sure people are REALLY scared of a Star trek geek who's never had a fight in his life who dedicates his whole life to hating on the P4P number 1 Lomachenko and Golovkin :lol:
     
    BCS8 and Beouche like this.
  11. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

    38,356
    7,936
    Sep 2, 2011
    He's better than Martinez for me

    RJJ, Hopkins, Toney etc are better though.
     
  12. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    17,348
    4,776
    Mar 8, 2008
    Yet clowns like Isal and Chicano will claim, “many had Clenelo winning”.

    Who? DLH? Hopkins? Clenelos mom?
     
    BCS8 and kriszhao like this.
  13. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

    46,772
    15,890
    Apr 14, 2009
     
    kriszhao likes this.
  14. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    17,348
    4,776
    Mar 8, 2008
  15. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

    50,554
    18,243
    Oct 7, 2006
    Logic
     
    dinovelvet likes this.