GGG is no Mayweather!!

I think you fell into the prisoner of the "He did better this round so he deserves the round" trap that many fall into.

You don't win a round landing nothing, ring generalship also consists of landing punches and limiting your opponent, knowing where you are in the ring at all times. He did almost none of that the entire bout, Floyd was landing jabs to the body, left hooks, right hands and even uppercuts the entire evening. He could barely miss, I think he landed close to 50% of his punches the fight while Canelo landed 23%?

Floyd also fought pretty darn well on the ropes if you look at it clearly and he had Canelo on the ropes a lot as well and landed hard shots backed by the jab.

He was also outlanded in almost every round. Floyd controlled the pace of the fight also.

 

I'm willing to meet you half way. I don't expect you just all of a sudden admit you're wrong and just give Canelo 5 rounds or something. But at the very least, I challenge you to at least take a look at rounds 10 and 12, and confirm what I'm seeing from Canelo in round 10 which was impressive. At the end of Round 10 do you remember the moment that Floyd just stared at Canelo and the two locked eyes for a few moments lol. How do you interpret that moment? Why would Floyd just stare at Canelo like that lmao? That seemed to be Floyd's way as to say "wow Canelo good round".

I'm in agreement with you that Floyd fought very well, but early on I thought Floyd was much more pensive than usual. He bit on entirely too many feints for my liking. In the first 2 rounds alone, Canelo had a ridiculous amount of successful feints. That's ring generalship, and btw I gave Floyd the 1st round because I thought Canelo landed next to nothing, but rounds 2-4 were entirely different. Canelo was landing, jabs to the body, hooks, mixing it up. Nothing too earth shattering, but those were very close rounds that I thought Canelo edged. We can respectfully disagree on these points, but I think you can understand where I'm coming from. Why don't you take another look at the 10th round, what Canelo did there was really impressive and he got Floyd's respect. Floyd knew he let that round slip and put it on Canelo in the 11th though, no doubt about it. The 12th I can't decide whether it's even or a Canelo round, neither guy landed much but I can't give the 12th to Floyd. Fans were booing him for running away, and he landed next to nothing.

By the way how'd you score Canelo Triple G?

 

I like great fights. and guys who put their all out. That to me adds togreatness. Floyd had none of that.

 

Just shows that people don't know sh** about boxing .. trying to tie in the 2015 Pac/FM fight to anything ... just shows that.. you don't know anything .. If you did then you would know that fight was for 2009/2010 .. NOT 2015 ... figure it out ,, it didn't mean ANYTHING

 

Do you see any similarities between Chavez Sweet Pea and Triple G Canelo? It seems to me that Canelo fought Triple G a lot like Sweet Pea fought Chavez, off the back foot but scoring the more telling blows? The judges gave G rounds for coming forward vs Canelo much like they gave Chavez rounds for coming forward vs Sweet Pea, both resulting in draws. But the better clean effective punching was done by Canelo / Sweet Pea.

 

Fair enough, I'll try and rescore the fight again and see if there are any adjustments I should make.

I think Floyd does that all the time, look how he stared at Marquez a few of those rounds and even smiled/laughed at him when Marquez landed that two piece on him.

114-114, I think you can find 6 rounds for Canelo in that fight. 115-113 G as well could be a card, I haven't rescored it yet so I will.

It's def not 117-111 or 118-110 Golovkin though like some people are preaching.

 

Mayweather fought the kiddie version of Canelo which he had to drain as well, to have a chance.

If you substituted Floyd for GGG in their fight, Canelo would have beaten the crap out of him.

Facts

 

If you have to "find" rounds for a fighter then you are scoring with a biased eye.

If I have to "find rounds" for GGG then I could have a score like 9-3 for Golovkin.

My actual score was 7-5 to GGG and I try be as objective as possible when scoring. Your mileage may vary

 

If you score it objectively, you can see Canelo winning 6 if you give him a close round, that's what I meant. Boxing is a subjective sport any how so there's no correct scorecard but on my criteria, he got 6. In those close rounds, I saw Canelo doing better via those 4 categories, so he gets it from me.

Most people including yourself don't consider defense, I score on all 4 criteria.

 

GGG beat Canelo decisively in an actual boxing match... Not a glorified sparring session.

 

I had it 8 rounds to 4 same as Harold Lederman...........................Golovkin clearly won the fight. The crowed cheered Golovkin, they booed Alvarez. Golovkin fought Mexican style while El Pollo fought El Pollo Style, he ran all night. Golovkin would knock Mayweather out, let's see Mayweather sign to fight Golovkin if he's that good...............of course, Byrd would be Void's main judge, the referee would be Tony Weeks, so Void could kick Golovkin in the testicles! Still, Golovkin would knock Void out.....................The vast majority of fans and fighters had Golovkin winning the fight and he did win the fight. I see some on this board that think Byrd is the greatest judge in boxing history!

 

Current Canelo would wreck a 36-year-old Floyd. Do you think Floyd would have faced this version of Canelo? Please. He only took Canelo fight because he was young, green and inexperienced.

 

I understand what you mean. If I give GGG all the "close rounds" I can get a 9-3 score for him, which imho is about as unfair as having Canelo winning or drawing. Look the draw wasn't the worst decision ever; I was expecting Golovkin to get robbed, considering what has happened in the past. He should count his rosary and offer thanks for not getting skinned.

OK, that's a reasonable post. But the reason why we don't consider "defence" is that:

1) Most fundamentally, defence means NOT GETTING HIT. If the other guy is hitting you more than you are hitting him, then your defence is ****.
2) What IS defence? Lots of people see fancy head movement, upper body movement and shoulder rolling as defence. But using distance as defence to make the other guy's shots fall short is also defence. Blocking punches with the gloves and the arms is defence and so is slipping a punch so that it slides off your back. Canelo has the first sort of defence; Golovkin the second. I can appreciate both.

 

Listen up flo, Mayweather as a promoter used that excuse that his fighter Gervonta Davis is too young and green to fight Lomachenko. Yet Fluid Jr. had no problem fighting Alvarez when Alvarez was the same age as Davis is now... And yes, Alvarez was definitely drained at 152, when he fought Liam Smith at 154 he was having cramps because of dehydration so he taped up his calves.

 

Alexander 12-0 Maidana. Guess Floyd's skills weren't good enough to replicate that.