GGG says Lucian Bute is....

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  1. john doe

    john doe Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yes lemieux does hit harder than bute, i understand why you guys say there is a weight diff and bute would be stronger because of this, but im sure lemieux has more power when he connects, you can really see and HEAR the difference in their punches ringside...lemieux punch sounds like its breaking stuff...bute sounds like a normal sharp punch...when you hear the thunder of lemieux ringside compared to bute ringside...you can really hear the difference..like really...though it would be interesting to see what some of their common sparring partners have to say, because both david and lucian both spar similar partners when training in mtl(against local guys)

    he also has a different style, pressure..if you look at the bute/ggg amature fight, bute was having some pretty good luck walking down ggg and putting pressure on him, exaclty lemieux style...i think if lemieux puts pressure, and doesnt give gg a chance to set up, then he has a good chance, but only at a ko, because he cant win on points thats for sure...id like to see how ggg chin would be tested against a few flush shots from lemieux
     
    john doe, May 27, 2015
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  2. antonio plaisir

    antonio plaisir the detonator Full Member

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    not quite, otherwise ggg wouldn't be calling him the best he's fought! froch v bute was very 1 sided. froch v ggg is a closer fight than you appear to think.
     
    antonio plaisir, May 27, 2015
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  3. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Last man to beat Bute before Carl did :deal

    Skinny little dude? 5 months later Bute turned pro at LHW. GGG was the skinny little dude, and he has a habit of catching people with perfect shots.
     
    Ducklerr, May 27, 2015
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  4. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who says I don't think it'll be close?
     
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  5. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They both stopped Bute, only GGG did it first. Maybe he softened Lucian up for Carl. :deal

    I just don't think that this "who's fought the best" logic holds up. I guess I should have put my money on Genaro against Floyd then.

    I'll take GGG by late stoppage in a very exciting fight, you are free to make your pick.
     
    Ducklerr, May 27, 2015
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  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    He doesn't look nearly as big vs GGG as he did much later in his career against Carl Froch, a lot of young pros do that they go back and forth trying out divisions trying to figure out which one fits them best Bute obviously settled on SMW, because he was a natural SMW. Bute also proved to be a little bit glass jawed, Froch isn't:deal
     
    CST80, May 27, 2015
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  7. antonio plaisir

    antonio plaisir the detonator Full Member

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    big of you! ggg on points, close. i'm not discussing who fought the best, just pointing out that the same guy who ggg classed as the hardest hitting best fighter he fought was utterly obliterated by froch.
     
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  8. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bute wasn't as big as he was later in his career, but he was larger than GGG like he was larger than Carl.

    GGG's jaw ain't glass either. :deal
     
    Ducklerr, May 27, 2015
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  9. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :thumbsup
     
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  10. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sorry man, just no.
     
    Ducklerr, May 27, 2015
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  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    We have no evidence one way or the other with GGG. The jury is still out on him. Froch is a proven commodity though. And his opponents also happened to have Iron Chins unlike GGG's.

    Froch



    • Groves KO% 69.57x2
    • Mack KO% 41.46
    • Kessler KO% 71.43x2
    • Bute KO% 72.73
    • Ward KO% 51.85
    • Abraham KO% 60.87 *
    • Dirrell KO% 64
    • Jermain Taylor KO% 52.63
    • Jean Pascal KO% 51.52
    • Robin Reid KO% 56.86
    • 59.7 Average KO % of Select Opponents

    Golovkin


    • Willie Monroe Jr. KO% 28.5
    • Martin Murray KO% 37.5
    • Marco Antonio Rubio KO% 76.12
    • Daniel Geale KO% 47.06
    • Osumanu Adama KO% 62.96
    • Matthew Macklin KO% 54.05
    • Curtis Stevens KO% 62.5
    • Nobuhiro Ishida KO% 28.21
    • Grzegorz Proksa KO% 63.64
    • Gab1iel Rosado KO% 41.94
    • 50.2 Average KO % of Select Opponents
     
    CST80, May 27, 2015
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  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Dropped the granite-jawed Andrade who was freakishly tough and scored a one punch finish against him, which no one has ever done. People have short memories but Andrade was regarded as one of, if not the, toughest men in the sport back then.

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    Finished Edison Miranda off with one punch (the fight was as good as over after that beautiful uppercut). No one has ever handled Miranda that easy and finished him off like that. Miranda might have been stopped four times but he is a tough cookie.

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    Stopped the teak-tough Fernando Zuniga in four rounds. Zuniga has fought Alejandro Berrio, Tavoris Cloud, Kelly Pavlik, Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam, James DeGale, Denis Inkin, Daniel Santos, Gilberto Ramirez, Thomas Oosthuizen, and Antwun Echols among others and only a prime Pavlik and Gilberto Ramirez were able to stop him, and even then he was stopped on a cut eye against Pavlik and he was shot to pieces against Ramirez. Bute should actually have been credited with another one punch finish here as Zuniga was down on the canvas for about 15 or 16 seconds IIRC. Look at the expression of agony on poor Zuniga's face as he's lying on the canvas.

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    Knocked Jean-Paul Mendy spark out with one punch.

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    Bute was a very hard puncher, especially to the body. Glen Johnson looked positively scared of Bute's power at times in their fight when have we ever seen that from him before?

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    Serge, May 27, 2015
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  13. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Never dropped in 380+ am/pro fights. I'll air on the side of iron.
     
    Ducklerr, May 27, 2015
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  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    There's a first time for everything.:!::yep
     
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  15. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yep, Carl will be getting stopped for the first time. :yep
     
    Ducklerr, May 27, 2015
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